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Just remember: It's OK to go out and get your protest or riot on en masse, but don't go to a Trump rally. That last one is apparently detrimental to your health.

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Hmmm,
My "Gut" leads me to think that you meant this for the Corona Political "discussion" thread?
Corona Political "discussion"

But I Do agree,
Stupid is as Stupid does.

Down here it looks like 80% of folks have Stopped Masking at the Grocery stores,,,
Damned Idiots...

No wonder there is a Coronavirus Spike going on.
 

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Hmmm,
My "Gut" leads me to think that you meant this for the Corona Political "discussion" thread?
Corona Political "discussion"

But I Do agree,
Stupid is as Stupid does.

Down here it looks like 80% of folks have Stopped Masking at the Grocery stores,,,
Damned Idiots...

No wonder there is a Coronavirus Spike going on.
Saw that coming 50 miles back. I'm going to the gambler in a few days where they have completely reworked things for social distancing. After that I'm going continue avoiding people and crowded places again. I'm still wearing the mask and using hand sanitizer. Call me whatever you want, but the last thing I need is to be out of commission for 2 or more weeks, and knowing my luck I'd be the bastard to have more than just some breathing troubles.

This aged like warm milk.
 

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The FDA is going full on for big pharma. :mad: Can't have that cheap, effective treatment option out there when big pharma is crankin' out the newest, not so effective but plenty expensive garbage.




Not sure why you guys sound surprised. We knew the second wave would come as we re-introduce our weakened immune systems to reality again as our overlords give us permission to go back out into the sunlight. We knew the media would pump out round 2 of all the fear mongering, single sided, brainwashing bs. We know the numbers game and every single "forecast model" released to date have been shown to be less reliable than a fortune telling gypsy on a 900 phone number. The only thing we didn't really know... was protests, riots, looting and anarchy would erupt and throw all pandemic precautions to the wind.

If this thing was even 1/4 of what they claim... people would be dead all over the streets of Seattle's "CHAZ", right now. We should be so lucky.
 

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So I just got word that my Mom and Dad will only stop by for the planned Father's day dinner, but will not stay and eat. When I asked why? Mom said my sister is too worried about Dad and Covid. I can't repeat what I said, but I was unable to convince my Mom that once they were here that they might as well stay since good weather is predicted and we'll be outside. I also couldn't get her to understand that going to Menards or the grocery was way more dangerous since sanitizing those large areas sufficiently throughout the day is almost impossible. Her response was your sister says staying at your house is dangerous for Dad. My response was WTF is wrong with your brain and what does Dad say?
So apparently, my sister who is in Jersey, not only watches fake news she has now started to spread it. Why is so hard for people to understand that regions are so different? For love of God we have had 3 deaths in our county so far. With like 42,500 people that gives you a .007% change of dying from this crap. I'm pretty sure the odds of getting hit by lightening in my lifetime are much higher. Also, with 40 cases so far here that's a .1% infection rate. From what I understand the teachers out there are also saying they will not return to work until there is a vaccine. I say fine! Then go live on the street because if you refuse to work then you shouldn't get a dimes worth of help. All I can say is those fear mongering useless SOB's need to be denutted with a dull knife. I'm trying to vent before I call my sister so please forgive me for the rant.

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Yep, I get it,,,,
20 - 30 years ago I would probably be saying / echoing the same sentiments.

Now I'm older and fall into the higher risk category.
to see / watch people going on like nothing is happening is truly astounding..

this one is about a 20 yo.
1st-Known U.S. Lung Transplant For COVID-19 Patient Performed In Chicago

then there is this guy. (Might not even make it)
Broadway actor Nick Cordero has leg amputated after serious COVID-19 complications

those were young & healthy folks, until 'Rona got em'.

IMO, I think this new "little bastage" of a bug is really nothing to be toyed with until it gets figured out.



@Swamp,
Maybe when your Dad sees that your thinking of their Health / Safety,
he will say lets sit on down and Stay for a bit.
 

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Well, the real problem is that they are probably 6 or 7x more likely to get hit by a drunk driver on the way here or to the store. I get it I really do, but damn, pick your battles. Staying with the family and let someone go to the store for you would lower the odds even more, but yet they chose to go shopping, but can't visit. It lacks sense.
Has anyone seen the stats that in NYC 66% of the people hospitalized were staying at home during the shutdown. So much for stay home stay safe. This crap isn't going away for a long time. We are just extending the amount of time it takes to affect the same number of people. That was the goal. Extend the span to decrease the load on hospitals. They never said it would eliminate it. Even with a vaccine it won't be gone. Take a look at Polio. If you are going to completely hide for another year or so until the vaccine is brought out which will probably result in about 10% of those vaccinated getting the actual full blown virus. good luck. The vaccine will probably kill some of the older people it's meant to save. Look at the stats on any vaccine. It isn't some magic crap that make it disappear for Christ's sake. It's the damn virus they are sticking in your body and anyone who thinks vaccines are 100% safe is delusional. There is an accepted danger factor in vaccines that the FDA finds palatable.
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I guess we all have a sister like that....
 

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Study finds COVID-19 can damage lungs without showing symptoms
SAN DIEGO — A new report from Scripps Research finds that up to half of all people infected with COVID-19 show no symptoms, and many of them could have lung damage without realizing it.

The Scripps Research report was trying to understand how people without symptoms can spread coronavirus, but researchers made a startling discovery.

“Three studies that I’ve looked at studied asymptomatic people. Interestingly, all the people look and feel fine, but when researchers did a CT scan doing an image of their lungs, in 50 to 100% of the cases, they actually found abnormalities,” said Daniel Oran, of Scripps Research. “When they look at these CT scans, it’s hazy — looks like you’re looking through a dirty piece of glass. What that means is there’s something abnormal about the lungs.”
 

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When Testing Positive For The Coronavirus Doesn’t Mean You’re Contagious


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The extended isolation period gave Amanda Joyce and her husband Patrick some extra time to set up the room for a baby girl she's expecting in early August.  (Jesse Costa/WBUR)

The extended isolation period gave Amanda Joyce and her husband Patrick some extra time to set up the room for a baby girl she's expecting in early August. (Jesse Costa/WBUR)
Amanda Joyce barely noticed the tickle in her throat and the little dry cough that started on March 19th. She only realized the significance two days later, when she woke up with a fever and body aches. Joyce had COVID-19.
“It was like someone had done WrestleMania and just totally took me down,” says Joyce who is now 31 weeks pregnant.
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The virus slammed Joyce for at least a month. By late April, she was feeling better and figured the virus must be gone. To return to work, as a labor and delivery nurse at Newton Wellesley Hospital, Joyce would need two negative diagnostic tests, a day apart. So Joyce got tested, at least a dozen times, but every time she’d get a negative, the next test would come back positive. Joyce, her husband and young son stayed home, in isolation, assuming she was still contagious.

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“I was just cautious,” she says. “I was still getting those positive tests. No one could tell what it actually meant.”
That’s because research that would reveal how long someone with the coronavirus remains contagious emerged while Joyce was sick. The answer varies, from fivedays after the start of symptoms to 11 days. The findings are based on just a handful of studies and a small sample of patients. But the results are shifting the way doctors, public health leaders and some policymakers think about whether a positive diagnostic test result means someone can still spread the infection.

Joyce finally received that definitive second negative test in late May, almost 10 weeks after she noticed a tickle in her throat. As it turns out, her employer, Mass General Brigham, has decided to scrap that requirement, one of two ways the CDC says health care workers can be cleared to return to their jobs.
Instead, Mass General Brigham will use a more conservative version of the CDC’s other “cleared to work” option: an employee who has tested positive can return to work 14 days after their first symptom, if their symptoms are gone and they have no fever. Managing a fever with meds doesn’t count.
“Based on all of the studies, we decided that it made much more sense to move to this time and symptom-based criteria,” says Dr. Erica Shenoy, associate chief of infection control at Massachusetts General Hospital.
Only about 5% of patients with COVID-19 continue to test positive for more than a month, as did Joyce. But a study published this week out of Singapore found that 70% are still positive 15 days after the first sign of COVID-19. That means more than a million U.S. residents who’ve had the coronavirus might still test positive beyond the period when research shows they can infect others.
More health systems and government agencies are moving away from the two negative test requirement to 10 days in isolation and a symptom assessment. That’s true for the contact tracing project in Massachusetts and for the isolation sites created for people who are homeless in the state. Dr. Josh Barocas, who’s been advising the homeless COVID-19 response, says his thinking has shifted away from testing in just the last week or two as more research about the shorter period of contagion came out.
It is truly amazing how fast things change,” says Barocas, an infectious disease specialist at Boston Medical Center. “While I think this is a reasonable approach right now, if new data emerge next week or the week after then we are going to have to, all or us, retool our approach.”
This question of whether a positive test means someone is still contagious is becoming very difficult for some hospitals. Dr. Richard Ellison, the hospital epidemiologist at UMass Memorial Medical Center, says It’s hard to know what precautions to take when patients who appear to have recovered from COVID-19 come back with complications or for surgery or because they’ve had an accident.
“Do hospitals say we have to treat this person the same way we treat someone who is very sick with COVID right now?” he asks. “We’ve got limited supplies of gowns and gloves and masks. Do we want to use these taking care of some unnecessarily?”
Ellison says patients who continue to test positive but are ready for discharge are a challenge for hospitals as well. He’s encountering patients who live in nursing homes or assisted living apartments who can’t go home because their facility requires two negative tests. Ellison says we need results that show a low positive or high positive, for example, or that tell someone whether the virus is active or dead. Those tests aren’t available yet.
Right now we’re getting a black and white answer,” he says. “The test is positive or it’s negative, but we’re not getting variation in that.”
But why does a nasal swab still find signs of the coronavirus weeks or months after Joyce and some patients have recovered? As Shenoy explains, the test looks for genetic material that signals the presence of the virus.
“It doesn’t tell you if it’s alive,” she says. “So just because you identify virus through this test does not mean that the person is infectious and capable of spreading disease to others.”

The growing body of research that shows a positive test result does not mean someone is contagious may be difficult for employers, school administrators and summer camp directors who have suggested using diagnostic tests to decide who is safe to be near and who isn’t.
Ellison says mass testing may lead to a lot of unnecessary tests and headaches.
“Some kids might spend the entire summer getting tested, before they’d be able to be approved for going to camp,” he says.
Shenoy recommends the 10-day isolation rule for those who’ve had symptoms. Barocas says testing, tracking symptoms, social distancing and heavy cleaning will all be needed. Some testing will be needed to find employees or students or campers who have the coronavirus but do not show symptoms. Again, a positive test doesn’t mean that person is contagious. The guidelines say they should still isolate for 10 days, although a study out this week finds that people who are asymptomatic spread the virus for only eight days.
Joyce is thrilled to be out from under the COVID-19 microscope, although she is still participating in a long term study of the coronavirus impact on pregnancy, childbirth and the postpartum experience. She’s been visiting with friends and family, from a safe distance, after two and half months of nothing but virtual contact.
“This weekend, when I finally got the go-ahead and was cleared, is the first time I haven’t felt like a lab experiment,” she laughs. “It’s kind of a nice feeling to be let back into human society, let out of the cage.”
Joyce plans to be back at work next week but won’t be on the job for long. She’s now 31 weeks pregnant.

This segment aired on May 29, 2020.
 

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That could be from anything. Unless they have a before and after pic of the lungs it's all just an assumption.
Of course it is an assumption, but perhaps the claim that there is a 99% recovery rate from the virus is an assumptions also. The purpose of the post was to indicate that all of the assumptions you are reading hear and elsewhere are just that, assumptions. Maybe if more people treated these "facts" as assumptions we would not have over 1000 people per day dying. Maybe we would anyway, but please just consider the possibility that not all of the assumptions you are being given are true.

This virus is only 6 month old. There is a great deal about it that we do not know. So I treat almost all of the claims as assumptions. When tested, and per reviewed then I pay serious attention.
 

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This virus is only 6 month old. There is a great deal about it that we do not know
Actually it's been going around as long as August 2019... And we know plenty about the Sars and different coronavirus so this shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

perhaps the claim that there is a 99% recovery rate
Well that one is actually a documented fact. Between the hospitals, CDC and who we know how many are recovering.

we would not have over 1000 people per day dying
What drugs are u on? The US is not seeing 1000 deaths a day... Not even close. Yesterday in the US...573, today, 147... Worldwide yesterday 4428, today, 2248
Seriously... For someone who tries to be so fact oriented (or at least tries to pass their comments off as factual) u really fell short there
 

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Actually it's been going around as long as August 2019... And we know plenty about the Sars and different coronavirus so this shouldn't be that hard to figure out.


Well that one is actually a documented fact. Between the hospitals, CDC and who we know how many are recovering.


What drugs are u on? The US is not seeing 1000 deaths a day... Not even close. Yesterday in the US...573, today, 147... Worldwide yesterday 4428, today, 2248
Seriously... For someone who tries to be so fact oriented (or at least tries to pass their comments off as factual) u really fell short there
Yes I did. My bad the 1000, should have been 550. I apologize and will try and do better next time. Thanks for noticing.
Yes, if this virus acts the same as Sars and different coronavirus we should be able to figure it out and that data is an excellent place to start. But perhaps this virus will act different somehow. I prefer a scientific analysis to a historical one however.

I do not consider permanent or long term lung and organ damage recovery. There is a big difference between survival and recovery. When a study shows 50% or more of the patients may suffer permanent damage, I will reserve judgement on the published recovery rate.
 

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When a study shows 50% or more of the patients may suffer permanent damage
That's a study with no conclusion so therefore an invalid study... Facts don't say "may" that's scare tactics and uncertainty... Facts would say "will"... And if you take anything seriously that says may then you're part of the problem...
 

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Bronco Mom, I'm right there with your assessment. What the hell does "50-100%" may say? It says they made $h!t up. That is an absolutely inconclusive statement. I'm sorry DRB, but the only useful information comes from a historical scientific study. It would take 3 full pages of blather just to list everything that has been listed about Covid 19 symptoms and treatments etc. Remember what Daddy says about ASS U ME. Every time something comes out about this virus the idiots in government turn it political. I ASSUME half of the the crap released about the virus is so that it CAN be used as political crap.

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I prefer a scientific analysis to a historical one however.
Consider the two need not be mutually exclusive, in fact they should be used together. But, the problem is history dispels all the myths the left is trying to build its failed policies on.
 

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That's a study with no conclusion so therefore an invalid study... Facts don't say "may" that's scare tactics and uncertainty... Facts would say "will"... And if you take anything seriously that say may then you're part of the problem...
I said may. The word used was to make sure no one would claim that I was espousing a factual conclusion. The study is fact, my conclusion is not. It is a maybe. The study said that 50% or more showed foggy CT scans. I concluded that there "May" be a problem.

Fact: 50% had foggy CT Scans.
Conclusion: May be a problem.
So if you are not at least interested in the facts, then you are part of the problem.
 

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Bronco Mom, I'm right there with your assessment. What the hell does "50-100%" may say? It says they made $h!t up. That is an absolutely inconclusive statement. I'm sorry DRB, but the only useful information comes from a historical scientific study. It would take 3 full pages of blather just to list everything that has been listed about Covid 19 symptoms and treatments etc. Remember what Daddy says about ASS U ME. Every time something comes out about this virus the idiots in government turn it political. I ASSUME half of the the crap released about the virus is so that it CAN be used as political crap.

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OK, let me try this again. Read this and show me where you see the word "May". Read the first line. So you are concluding that ...what are you concluding? And yes the word may is inconclusive. That is why I used it. To indicate that there is a possibility that more study is needed.

Oh, and this was a historical scientific study.

And if you are correct about half of the stuff released about the virus, then I would be concerned that the other half if not. Even if you are correct though, I think you may, note use of the word may, have selected the wrong have to believe.

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Study finds COVID-19 can damage lungs without showing symptoms
SAN DIEGO — A new report from Scripps Research finds that up to half of all people infected with COVID-19 show no symptoms, and many of them could have lung damage without realizing it.

The Scripps Research report was trying to understand how people without symptoms can spread coronavirus, but researchers made a startling discovery.

“Three studies that I’ve looked at studied asymptomatic people. Interestingly, all the people look and feel fine, but when researchers did a CT scan doing an image of their lungs, in 50 to 100% of the cases, they actually found abnormalities,” said Daniel Oran, of Scripps Research. “When they look at these CT scans, it’s hazy — looks like you’re looking through a dirty piece of glass. What that means is there’s something abnormal about the lungs.”
 

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I'm out. I'm moving on to a new career. My wife just told me I MAY have the largest penis she has ever seen so I am going to become a mobile billboard for cialis. Lets face it. I have a better chance at succeeding at that than convincing DRB that he's buying into a fake lying media that has the same goal as BLM and that is to remove Trump from office. It has nothing to do with telling the truth or making a better world for all people only certain people.
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