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Watch Live: Frontline Physicians Aim to Dispel ‘Massive’ COVID-19 ‘Disinformation Campaign’.


Listen to the second physician talking about hydroxychloroquine.
I haven't watched all of it yet. I was told it gets really good at the 1:32 minute mark. I thought this child psychologist made some interesting observations. Here's part of what he said:

Dr. Mark McDonald starting at about 41:15 "The state of our children is abysmal ...The pandemic, in my mind, is not so much a medical pandemic, it's an emotional pandemic. And this emotional pandemic is based on, and centered around fear. The fear is real, but it's not based on reality. I have tried to provide facts, data, information to my patients and their parents for weeks and months. Some of them do listen, some of them do change their minds because they believe there's more going on than what they're being told is not entirely accurate. But very many of my parents and children don't respond to information. I'm a big proponent of information, I'm a big proponent of facts, I'm a big proponent of science, I'm a physician, that's how I was trained. But I also know, that, unless we deal with this fear and deal with it head on, this information will not be of use. You cannot use information, no matter how accurate it is, unless you are in a calm state of mind. Anybody who's worked in the military knows this. When you are in a state of panic, when you are terrorized, when you are traumatized, you cannot think clearly.

"Most of my adults in my practice that come in for treatment are in that state. They are not responsive to information. They are allowing fear to guide their decisions. They're refusing to bring their children in insisting on zoom or telephone calls. They're preventing their children from playing outside. They're preventing their children from going shopping with them. They're preventing their children from playing in sports, they're coddling them, because they think that's what's best for them. The children are suffering. In my view this is child abuse. We are training an entire generation of children to live in fear, to live in fear of people. We are training an entire generation of children to live in their parent's basement until they are 40 years old, so that they can be safe. I've heard this word safe for months now, and I always ask this question; compared to what? Compared to driving? As we've heard earlier, driving is far more dangerous. Far, far more dangerous than going to school. Safer than staying at home? Children are getting sick at home. They're getting fat, they're wetting their beds...

"Why are we living in this state of fear, this pandemic of fear? My belief is there has been an unholy alliance made between certain politicians, certain media, and special interest groups...one of those special interest groups...the most powerful in the state of California where I am from, provides the largest contribution financially to the governor, to the county, to the city; that is the teacher's union. And they have effectively told parents if you send your kids back to school the moment they cross the threshold, they will die. And before they die, they will kill all the teachers...I believe the only way to move forward and to properly address the medical aspect of caronavirus is to first address the fear."
 

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I just saw on the local news this morning that Wisconsin has been put on Chicago's no travel list. Meaning if you go from Wisconsin to Chitcago the you have to quarantine for 14 days. I doubt too many people are just heading off to the $h!tty I mean windy city to sight see right now. Seems to me getting shot there is lot more likely than getting the vid. First off according the local news which says their numbers come the health dept. says the number of people in Wi. hospitalized due to Covid dropped from like 363 down to 290 something since yesterday and the number of total deaths stayed stagnant at like 893. Given that there are more than 5.8 million people in Wisconsin that gives us a death rate of about .0153% In Wisconsin we have lost a third of that to car crashes alone. This crap sucks, but it ain't the F^&#&@'n plague! If you are at risk take precautions. Typical of the dems. We'll put the entire country at risk in order to prove how much we care about a small number of people.
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Hey Frank! They pulled the vid down already. probably because it mentioned the 'H" word.
There are three videos in the article. Two of the three have been pulled down. Video one of the first dauphinois of their conference is up. 2 hours long. Medical censorship In the land of the free, except when it comes to your healthcare choices.
 

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We had a 13 year old patient in the office yesterday for an evaluation. He was wearing a neoprene face mask. It was snug to his face, more so than the common masks people wear. His oxygen saturation was 92% with the mask on, with normal being above 96%. His oxygen reading with the mask off was 100%. His complaint is chronic pain since age 9 in his neck, low back, knees and ankles. He’s seen multiple specialists without resolution or a definitive diagnosis. We’re running certain specialty lab tests that have not been ordered for him in the past especially considering his mom is autoimmune. At this point we have some ideas about what is causing his chronic pain but nothing conclusive until we see his tests. However I do know this, wearing too tight of a mask that lowers your oxygen levels below normal is not helpful for anyone in chronic pain.
 

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Allrighty then,

First, please stop inline quoting. If you want to make a point by point rebuttal, rather than spending the time coloring, cut and paste the response so it can be quoted.

I actually like this way of rebutting better.

OK, have it your way...

Now, why do you seek the negative in virtually everything?

Still NOT being negative over here, just stating the Facts and how I see them.

Highlighting every negative fact while eschewing positive facts is fear mongering. No one is denying your facts, just your carefully curated facts of doom and gloom. Everything isn’t bad, so why choose to only post the negative bits?

“We’ve been bouncing on the Low 90%” - no you haven’t. Arizona hasn’t even hit 90% of ICU capacity yet, so why round up and make the situation worse than it really is?

Yes,,, Yes we Have been bouncing on the Low 90% of ICU Beds IN USE since the End of June...

I stand corrected, you are right and I am wrong. Two days at 91%, two days at 90% out of 26 days. The situation is dire... or not. Appears to be generally trending down over the past two weeks.



But wait... why aren’t you even looking at the real Covid-19 use of ICU beds in Arizona? Same source...

Now I do not know what page your looking at so maybe you should just Click Here,
AZDHS | COVID-19 Dashboards

We’re on the same page... literally the same data, but obviously not in how that information is interpreted. Kudos to Arizona for their transparency and making the information available.[COLOR]

Now click on "Hospital Bed Usage & Availability" it's all right there for your scrutiny...
FYI, The Red Columns are "In Use" & the Grey Columns on top are "Available"
just hover over them for more info.
(BTW - Your ICU bed chart below only provides raw numbers on beds in use,
with No mention of Totals Or Availability.)

Ah, excellent White Dragon, you are starting to think like an analyst. You are absolutely correct, the chart below shows raw numbers - ICU beds in use for Covid-19 only. It does not reduce the number of beds available in total though. Comparing the two charts, Covid-19 bed use peaked on the 13th and has dropped faster than occupied ICU beds, meaning either (a) the number of total beds was reduced (unlikely given the situation) or (b) a greater number of people were being admitted to an ICU with something other than Covid-19. I know it doesn’t fit the “doom and gloom” narrative, but recent trends suggest Arizona has passed its peak - and in more positive news, done a much better job than NY in reducing mortalities.




It’s really no better than the news media when you gloss over the fact ‘rona ICU bed usage has been going down for the last week and a half, or that confirmed cases in Arizona are way down over where they were 2-3-4 weeks ago...

Your 2nd chart is so far Off,,, but you can see the Current Info

on the 1st page when you visit the Link I provided above.
Just look at and compare the County Counts.
(Want some other tid-bits? check the PCR & Serology Testing Percentages....)

Your chosen source of data WD. Are you now suggesting they shouldn’t be trusted, or are you upset there is information that counters the constant fear mongering?[



I like this one too...



As for the testing percentages, it’s great information. Even better that Arizona is breaking down the PCR (virus) & Serology (antibodies) tests - a lot of states are combining those, falsely driving up the number of “cases”. Quick glance, I also find it reassuring the average age is moving down, which should continue to reduce the overall mortality rate. I’d also speculate given the difference in % between PCR & Serology positives that the majority of test are still being administered to folks who are either sick or in close contact with someone who is sick. We won’t know that until broader testing is done. August and September should be interesting as schools require testing before returning to campuses.



And if you want to listen to Dr. Carmona, that’s great. He has the chops (although you did fail to mention his stint on the board of Herbalife or his failed bid as the Democrat candidate for the Senate in 2012 - because we know none of this Covid stuff has been politicized).
Did Not know that,

But you Are right about him having Chops and I Trust Him....
...4 more years of this. I hope he’s wrong about how long it takes to develop a vaccine.

Thankfully, Arizona’s own numbers appear to indicate you are past the peak.
Only Time will tell.

…proving the axiom, “pessimist are never disappointed”. I hope for your sake and for your family, friends and neighbors sake, for all of us for that matter, the positive trend continues.

Oh and I wasn’t accusing you of being callous, I was accusing Berensen of making his point so nonchalantly... Covid “mostly kills people who are about to die from other causes.” Sounds bad, but appears to be backed by the data from Michigan.
I Didn't think you were, nor did I feel attacked either.


Oh and by the way,
Maybe you should try re-reading my posts before you accuse me of being a Sensationalist and a Liar....[/COLOR]
…and this just sums everything up. Everything to an extreme and everything always negative. Liar? No. Fear monger? Yes.

You are so intent on being a victim, so intent on decrying the marginalization of your opinion, that you fail to recognize you leave no room for a differing opinion. No quarter apparently is asked or given on this topic, either we have to Mea Culpa on our knees, pouring salt in our mouths or prostrate ourselves in fealty to your narrative of doom and gloom.

The situation sucks. There I said it. Are you happy? But the pictures not as dire as you paint it either, are you prepared to admit that?

DOUBLE DOG DARE: I challenge you from now to the end of September, for every two NEGATIVE tid-bits, suggestion, articles, opinions, cartons, memes, narratives, etc. you post related to Covid-19 on FSB, that you post at least one POSITIVE piece.


EDIT: 3 for color

Ok, so according to you Now I am not a Sensationalist nor Liar,
( even tho' that is is what you have alluded to in several of your posts).

Now you say I am a Pessimist And a Fear Monger,
if that is what you need to achieve whatever it is you are trying to prove, Enjoy.

I have 0% intention on being a victim to this Virus,
and YES the situation Sucks, Does your "saying it" make me Happy? Seriously?
Your saying that makes absolutely No Difference at all to the reality....

You say it's Not Dire,
I will Disagree with you on that until the Medical Professionals
say there are some Therapeutics, Vaccine or Something that we can All hang our hats on...
(You Know, the Folks with things like MD, PHD, NIH, or Surgeon General in their Titles.)

Crap Man,
Just look at the testing Availability, Accuracy and approach,
WE still do not have that Squared Away.
You Still cannot get a test unless you are exhibiting Symptoms,
Or your Doctor (see above) gives you a referral.

Oh, You tested Positive?
GO HOME and Quarantine until you cannot Breath,
Then Call us B4 you come in so we can Prepare & get you in a bed for Intubation,
IF you survive,
Prepare for a LONG Rehab and by the way we really do Not Know
how long that will be OR What the Long Term Effects really are
But we will call you Cured...

Now, I Do Acknowledge the Advancements in
Vaccine Research and hold out Great Hope that they soon become a Viable Resource,
It just seems to me a little early in comparison to Past Research / Vaccines or Cures.

When there is something to Celebrate or be Happy about I am pretty sure You, Me or Someone else
will be posting it here.
I Look Forward to that Day....

Until then enjoy your little "I am Right & You are Wrong" dog & pony show.


That is My Opinion,
And just like Yours I am entitled to Mine.

No Mea Culpa or Prostate needed / wanted.
(Prostate,,, get it?)

Good Luck.
 

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We had a 13 year old patient in the office yesterday for an evaluation. He was wearing a neoprene face mask. It was snug to his face, more so than the common masks people wear. His oxygen saturation was 92% with the mask on, with normal being above 96%. His oxygen reading with the mask off was 100%. His complaint is chronic pain since age 9 in his neck, low back, knees and ankles. He’s seen multiple specialists without resolution or a definitive diagnosis. We’re running certain specialty lab tests that have not been ordered for him in the past especially considering his mom is autoimmune. At this point we have some ideas about what is causing his chronic pain but nothing conclusive until we see his tests. However I do know this, wearing too tight of a mask that lowers your oxygen levels below normal is not helpful for anyone in chronic pain.
Frank, not to get in your business, but I'd be really interested in the name of that test. I've been fighting something they say is autoimmune since 2012. Same symptoms as the kid. I've seen something like 11 doctors and the only thing that has helped was a couple of real good doses of antibiotic, but it only lasted about 6 weeks. I'd like to research and talk to my doc about it.
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There are multiple tests we use in cases of detecting autoimmunity and autoimmune environmental triggers. One company testing we use is Cyrex labs. The other is Immunosciences Lab. On this Particular patient I’ve ordered Cyrex arrays 2, 3, 4, 10 and may order array 5 based on the other results.
 

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I think the first two videos of the three were deleted because Dr. Emanuel used the word ‘cure’ talking about Covid. Big no no. But Google, FB and Twitter needs to be broke up for Sherman anti-trust. Too much search power. Big tech should not be censoring physician opinions. They are not doctors, clinicians or scientists.
 

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There are multiple tests we use in cases of detecting autoimmunity and autoimmune environmental triggers. One company testing we use is Cyrex labs. The other is Immunosciences Lab. On this Particular patient I’ve ordered Cyrex arrays 2, 3, 4, 10 and may order array 5 based on the other results.
Thanks. I'll look into into it.
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Coming Correct,,,,,,,,,,,,

@Want2BS8ed I want to Apologize to You for my recent remarks.

I am Truly Sorry and Embarrassed for MY Juvenile Outbreak & Behavior during Our last discussion,
and I will work more diligently at keeping my Personal Emotions Out of our Interactions.

Your Time & Willingness to Share an understanding of Excel charts, Information and your approach to Analysis IS Greatly Appreciated.

Stay Safe.

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The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It | Opinion
HARVEY A. RISCH, MD, PHD , PROFESSOR OF EPIDEMIOLOGY, YALE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH
ON 7/23/20 AT 7:00 AM EDT
Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD


OPINIONCORONAVIRUSHEALTH AND MEDICINEMEDICINEFDA
As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.
I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.
On May 27, I published an article in the American Journal of Epidemiology (AJE) entitled, "Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk COVID-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis." That article, published in the world's leading epidemiology journal, analyzed five studies, demonstrating clear-cut and significant benefits to treated patients, plus other very large studies that showed the medication safety.

Physicians who have been using these medications in the face of widespread skepticism have been truly heroic. They have done what the science shows is best for their patients, often at great personal risk. I myself know of two doctors who have saved the lives of hundreds of patients with these medications, but are now fighting state medical boards to save their licenses and reputations. The cases against them are completely without scientific merit.

Since publication of my May 27 article, seven more studies have demonstrated similar benefit. In a lengthy follow-up letter, also published by AJE, I discuss these seven studies and renew my call for the immediate early use of hydroxychloroquine in high-risk patients. These seven studies include: an additional 400 high-risk patients treated by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, with zero deaths; four studies totaling almost 500 high-risk patients treated in nursing homes and clinics across the U.S., with no deaths; a controlled trial of more than 700 high-risk patients in Brazil, with significantly reduced risk of hospitalization and two deaths among 334 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine; and another study of 398 matched patients in France, also with significantly reduced hospitalization risk. Since my letter was published, even more doctors have reported to me their completely successful use.
 

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Coming Correct,,,,,,,,,,,,

@Want2BS8ed I want to Apologize to You for my recent remarks.

I am Truly Sorry and Embarrassed for MY Juvenile Outbreak & Behavior during Our last discussion,
and I will work more diligently at keeping my Personal Emotions Out of our Interactions.

Your Time & Willingness to Share an understanding of Excel charts, Information and your approach to Analysis IS Greatly Appreciated.

Stay Safe.

White Dragon
Thanks WD. That took guts to say.

I'm usually the pessimist in the crowd - it comes from being trained as a professional skeptic. Wasn't it Edgar Allan Poe that first said "Believe nothing you hear, and only half that you see"?

I apologize as well for the zeal and outward frustration in trying to make that point. In the end I think we are both just trying to help our fellow Bronco owners deal with all of this mess.
 

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