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So far I've been unable to diagnose the problem with my tranny. I keep getting a code 654 MLP not in park, and 634 volltage out of self test range. Now I know the normal questions are coming. The Bronco is a 91 EB, 302, push button 4wd. I keep getting hard shifts through all gears only on upshifts. I've checked ground at MLP. Checked voltage also. Resistance through all gears is correct. TPS is correct also. Checked resistance of all harness wires from ECU to all sensors and also to solenoid pack at tranny. Does anyone have any idea what the issue could be. I'm not saying firm like shift kit. I'm talking rear-end collision rough. I have installed a new MLP, TPS, solenoid pack, DPFE, speed sensor, ecu. I have checked speed ring in diff. Any mechanics or experts have any a clue? Thanks.
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So far I've been unable to diagnose the problem with my tranny. I keep getting a code 654 MLP not in park, and 634 volltage out of self test range. Now I know the normal questions are coming. The Bronco is a 91 EB, 302, push button 4wd. I keep getting hard shifts through all gears only on upshifts. I've checked ground at MLP. Checked voltage also. Resistance through all gears is correct. TPS is correct also. Checked resistance of all harness wires from ECU to all sensors and also to solenoid pack at tranny. Does anyone have any idea what the issue could be. I'm not saying firm like shift kit. I'm talking rear-end collision rough. I have installed a new MLP, TPS, solenoid pack, DPFE, speed sensor, ecu. I have checked speed ring in diff. Any mechanics or experts have any a clue? Thanks.
Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) 634 indicate the Transmission Range (TR) sensor is out of Self-Test range when the gear selector is in "PARK".
DTCs 522 and 654 indicate the gear selector was not in Park during Self-Test.

Possible causes:
•Misadjusted linkage.
•Open or short in harness circuits.
•Damaged TR sensor.
•Damaged Powertrain Control Module (PCM) .
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TECHNICAL BULLETIN # 230A
TRANSMISSION: E4OD
SUBJECT:
No upshift 4th gear starts, harsh upshifts, neutrals out after shifts
APPLICATION: Ford-E/F Series, Bronco
DATE: Jan 1995
E4OD
No Upshifts, 4th Gear Starts, Harsh Upshifts, Neutrals Out After Shifts
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All of these concerns can be the result of an inappropriate Manual Lever Position (MLP) sensor signal. The MLP sensor consists of six resistors connected in series (ganged).
The resistance of the MLP sensor will vary based on which range the transmission is in. The MLP circuit can be checked using the following steps.
(Step 1)
Check the MLPS ground: Turn the ignition on. The voltage on pin 46 (sensor ground ) should not exceed .1v. If the voltage is excessive, add an additional ground to the existing ground wire (figure 2).
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Figure 2 Splice an additional ground from the existing ground wire to a known good ground.The negative post of the battery is the best. This view is of the pins of the MLP connector pins.
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(Step 2)
Check the MLPS voltage: The voltage at pin 30 should vary-in increments- according to the position of the manual lever (figure 3).
MLP voltage (ignition on) should be within 20% of these specifications.
Note It is recommended that you use a break-out box. If a break-out box is not available, you will need to pierce the wires to pins 30 and 46 for these tests.
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(Step 3)
Check the resistance of the MLPS: The resistance of the MLPS (pins 30 and 46) should change-in increments-with the position of the manual lever (figure 4).
Note If this test is being done with a break-out box, disconnect the computer first (make sure the ignition is off). If this test is being done without a break-out box, disconnect the MLPS from the vehicle harness.
Note Testing beyond this point will include tests of the harness. Consult the appropriate repair manual for this.
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Well I have already checked and added grounds. Checked linkage. MLP match lines are lined up on sensor in neutral. Truck starts in park and also in neutral. Reverse lights come on when in reverse. I'm going to try another ecu tomm. Good thing is I've been selling parts for 12 years. No shortage of parts for me to try. The check engine light goes on and off while driving. I've been having this battle on my hands for about 7 months now. I'm really surprised to not have lost my transfer case by now. What is a TR sensor?
Well I have already checked and added grounds. Checked linkage. MLP match lines are lined up on sensor in neutral. Truck starts in park and also in neutral. Reverse lights come on when in reverse. I'm going to try another ecu tomm. Good thing is I've been selling parts for 12 years. No shortage of parts for me to try. The check engine light goes on and off while driving. I've been having this battle on my hands for about 7 months now. I'm really surprised to not have lost my transfer case by now. What is a TR sensor?
Transmission range sensor.
Transmission Range Sensor - Below center of vehicle, LH side of transmission.
The Transmission Range (TR) sensor provides an input signal to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) , notifying the PCM of the current transmission shift lever position.
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CONSTRUCTION
The TR sensor has six separate resistors in series. Each resistor has an output connection corresponding to a transmission position (P, R, N, D, 1, 2). The output wiper arm is linked directly to the transmisssion selector linkage.
OPERATION
The PCM applies a 5.0 volt reference signal to the TR circuit pin 30. SIG RTN circuit pin 46 supplies a ground path to the sensor. As the transmission is shifted the TR sensor output wiper arm moves to a corresponding resistor connection. The six inline resistors provide a separate voltage drop for each transmission position.
RELATED DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES
DTC 634 - The TR sensor was out of self-test range with the transmission in park.
DTC 522/654 - The gear selector was not in park during the self-test.
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Also known as MLP and NSS correct? I have tested voltage in and ohmed to ground and also resistance in all gears. All are way within specified perimeters. The only other problem I've ever had is a lunge of sorts at startup and a stall when it hammers into reverse at times. Maybe once or twice. I have tested every sensor on the truck and check all that I can know to check. Is there anything in the design that a knock sensor would cause a short of sorts? That's the only sensor that I haven't replaced on the truck. Its line pressure I know but I can't figure what's telling the computer to go into safe mode. Is there anything more in the trans that is electronic other than the solenoid pack?
Also known as MLP and NSS correct? I have tested voltage in and ohmed to ground and also resistance in all gears. All are way within specified perimeters. The only other problem I've ever had is a lunge of sorts at startup and a stall when it hammers into reverse at times. Maybe once or twice. I have tested every sensor on the truck and check all that I can know to check. Is there anything in the design that a knock sensor would cause a short of sorts? That's the only sensor that I haven't replaced on the truck. Its line pressure I know but I can't figure what's telling the computer to go into safe mode. Is there anything more in the trans that is electronic other than the solenoid pack?
im pretty sure theres just some sensors and the solenoid pack, and the governer. you could try testing the pcm, or you could replace the anti-knock sensor to see if that would help.
Thanks very much for the response. I will update tomm when I try the ecu. If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to let them fly.
Thanks very much for the response. I will update tomm when I try the ecu. If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to let them fly.
glad to help good luck.
leaning towards mlps. new ones come with the new style plug to fix corrosion issues as well, just so you know
I'm no tranny expert, swapping the MLPS has been the extent of my trans work on this truck. The codes pointed to it, & I changed it without testing it. :brownbag It did resolve the problem though.

Have you seen stangmata"s E4OD Diagnosis Thread?

Regarding codes 634 & 654 he says "This was caused by either a faulty TOT (Transmission Over Temperature) sensor, a bad connector or harness, or the transmission was overheated." I don't know why, since that doesn't seem match the description for those codes. You might post up in his thread or PM him & ask.

thePUNISHER also seems to know E4ODs. Here's one of his threads with his contact info: 89-96 E4OD products from Paul's ClutchBoxes
I'm no tranny expert, swapping the MLPS has been the extent of my trans work on this truck. The codes pointed to it, & I changed it without testing it. :brownbag It did resolve the problem though.

Have you seen stangmata"s E4OD Diagnosis Thread?

Regarding codes 634 & 654 he says "This was caused by either a faulty TOT (Transmission Over Temperature) sensor, a bad connector or harness, or the transmission was overheated." I don't know why, since that doesn't seem match the description for those codes. You might post up in his thread or PM him & ask.

thePUNISHER also seems to know E4ODs. Here's one of his threads with his contact info: 89-96 E4OD products from Paul's ClutchBoxes
where did you get the MLSP from autozone?
I'm no tranny expert, swapping the MLPS has been the extent of my trans work on this truck. The codes pointed to it, & I changed it without testing it. :brownbag It did resolve the problem though.

Have you seen stangmata"s E4OD Diagnosis Thread?

Regarding codes 634 & 654 he says "This was caused by either a faulty TOT (Transmission Over Temperature) sensor, a bad connector or harness, or the transmission was overheated." I don't know why, since that doesn't seem match the description for those codes. You might post up in his thread or PM him & ask.

thePUNISHER also seems to know E4ODs. Here's one of his threads with his contact info: 89-96 E4OD products from Paul's ClutchBoxes
Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) 634 indicate the Transmission Range (TR) sensor is out of Self-Test range when the gear selector is in "PARK".
DTCs 522 and 654 indicate the gear selector was not in Park during Self-Test.
Possible causes:
•Misadjusted linkage.
•Open or short in harness circuits.
•Damaged TR sensor.
•Damaged Powertrain Control Module (PCM) .
I manage Carquest in Maryville. Picked up all my parts from there. Swapped out MLP's twice. Changed the plug ont the first. Rechecked all the locations on all wires when I done the second. Where is the trans temp sensor? I've read the article. Just no one has went to detail on where it is. There is no way the mlp is bad. Is the solenoid pack in the tranny designed to apply full line pressure when slippage is detected? My tranny doesn't slip at all. Its not like I've never worked on cars. I've just exhausted all my options.
I manage Carquest in Maryville. Picked up all my parts from there. Swapped out MLP's twice. Changed the plug ont the first. Rechecked all the locations on all wires when I done the second. Where is the trans temp sensor? I've read the article. Just no one has went to detail on where it is. There is no way the mlp is bad. Is the solenoid pack in the tranny designed to apply full line pressure when slippage is detected? My tranny doesn't slip at all. Its not like I've never worked on cars. I've just exhausted all my options.
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PURPOSE
Used as an input to determine shift schedule and Electronic Pressure Control (EPC) for temperature effects.

DESCRIPTION
The Transmission Fluid Temperature (TFT) sensor is a temperature-sensitive device called a thermistor it is located in the solenoid body assembly it sends a voltage signal to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) . The voltage signal varies with the transmission fluid temperature.
OPERATION
The PCM uses the voltage signal to determine whether a cold start shift schedule is necessary. The cold start shift schedule lowers shift speeds to allow for the reduced performance of cold engine operation. The TFT is part of the transmission solenoid assembly and is not replaced separately.
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where did you get the MLSP from autozone?
I usually buy those parts at the local NAPA, ever since my favorite little auto parts store closed. Sometimes I drive to Ernie's, which is the best around here, but NAPA is closer. It's probably been 4 years since I swapped it, & I don't really remember. I can't remember the last time I was in an Auto Zone either.

Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) 634 indicate the Transmission Range (TR) sensor is out of Self-Test range when the gear selector is in "PARK".
DTCs 522 and 654 indicate the gear selector was not in Park during Self-Test.
Possible causes:
•Misadjusted linkage.
•Open or short in harness circuits.
•Damaged TR sensor.
•Damaged Powertrain Control Module (PCM) .
I saw that, & that's where the question about stangmata's different description comes into play. I don't know if he knows something that we don't, or if it's a typo.

I normally won't say anything in a thread where I really don't understand the issue. He seemed lost & to be looking for any possibility when he said "If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to let them fly", so I threw in what I had seen that seemed to include different info than what you guys were already covering. I meant no offense, & was not trying to say that your info was off base.
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I usually buy those parts at the local NAPA, ever since my favorite little auto parts store closed. Sometimes I drive to Ernie's, which is the best around here, but NAPA is closer. It's probably been 4 years since I swapped it, & I don't really remember. I can't remember the last time I was in an Auto Zone either.


I saw that, & that's where the question about stangmata's different description comes into play. I don't know if he knows something that we don't, or if it's a typo.

I normally won't say anything in a thread where I really don't understand the issue. He seemed lost & to be looking for any possibility when he said "If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to let them fly", so I threw in what I had seen that seemed to include different info than what you guys were already covering. I meant no offense, & was not trying to say that your info was off base.
:beer, oh no i didnt take it offensively, i was just showing you and everybody what ''ALL-DATA diy'' said about those DTC's, compared to what you said another guy showed for them. you just said you werent sure if he was right, so i was just posting those DTC's so you could compare them.
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Well. It came to pass the the Ford powers that be see me fit to fix my Bronc. After countless hours of having my face in my Chiltons it turned out to be the ECM. The old saying "just cause' its new doesn't mean its good!" has came to bite me in the [email protected]@!! I should have tried it 5 months ago. This site as well as Google has provided me everything I need to know to fix my own rig. As far as tranny threads go this is another one solved. To every noob reading this thread, please use common sense and read directions. Always ask for help after you have taken all the right steps to fix your problem. Im by no means an expert. Thanks to all for their advice. Although I used to be a GM man, I LOVE MY BRONCO!!!!!!!!
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Well. It came to pass the the Ford powers that be see me fit to fix my Bronc. After countless hours of having my face in my Chiltons it turned out to be the ECM. The old saying "just cause' its new doesn't mean its good!" has came to bite me in the [email protected]@!! I should have tried it 5 months ago. This site as well as Google has provided me everything I need to know to fix my own rig. As far as tranny threads go this is another one solved. To every noob reading this thread, please use common sense and read directions. Always ask for help after you have taken all the right steps to fix your problem. Im by no means an expert. Thanks to all for their advice. Although I used to be a GM man, I LOVE MY BRONCO!!!!!!!!
im glad you solved the problem, happy wheeling.
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