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The way they achieve this to vilify a segment of society that is in the minority so the masses will support their "worthy" cause and rid society of these evil people.

yep you nailed it. i see it all the time and try to explain it to liberals (hopeless of course) how easy it is to take away ALL freedoms, since they do them one at a time, affecting only a minority group with each one, and the stupid majority goes along with it.

do something that negatively affects 5% of the people, only that 5% will care.. the other 95% won't care much.. easy to take rights away from the 5% then, and move on to the next 5%, rinse and repeat.

no smoking laws, trans fats, farming laws, zoning laws, tax hikes on select groups, vehicle laws, pollution laws, recycling laws, land access laws, land seizes... the list is endless, and everybody is affected by it in some way.
 

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Their reasoning is basically the fault of vandalism and littering; wheelers aren't the only ones who do that. Plenty of people, whether on foot, bicycle, or truck do it.
 

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you can blame obama if you want, since he signed the bill, but the truth of the matter is, it's the people who push for these types of closures that are the real problem. witness this guy's comment to the link provided:

"That is one of the best bills passed. We need places where it is quiet and free of off road terrorists and be able to enjoy nature. If they are not protected they will be ruined by off roaders or land developers."

that is the reality of what we off roaders face today. we are treated as the enemy. mostly because of a minority of law breaking yahoos who destroy property, litter, etc. Like it or not, that is the perception of our sport. yet most of us sit back and do nothing, fail to write our representatives or get involved, or get organized period. imo, we have only ourselves to blame.
Terrorist???

Terrorist!!!!!!!!!????????

Thats a kind of stupid that cant be fixed. And i have to say... ive seen terrorists.... i dont think FSB has any of those.

Either way... he's on my shit list.

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Lots of the wilderness is suppose to be untouched..only foot traffic. Now where they allow off-road vehicles...people aren't responsible and they try to put liability on the government since it's government owned.

People clearly aren't respectful anymore. One bad apple can ruin the whole bunch. That's how it is. Watch who you hang out with because when they fall..you will too.

If you want to ride on these areas...promote a clean forest, do clean up days, be big in the forest community. Doesn't mean you have to be a "tree hugger". Our environment is needed for future generations and at the rate of urban and agricultural sprawl...we're losing forest daily.

You can work with the government with this situation if you team up, be responsible, and push the bad folks out, and even get involved with these environmental groups...talk with them...let them see your view and you see theirs. Working together is the only way.

One main thing might be an issue is bogging up a river or creek...which in returns hurts wildlife...mainly fish since the sediment stirred up with deprive them of oxygen.

And most of these national forest out west were land that homesteaders didn't take with the homestead act. The government didn't TAKE them...they just took what no one want..usually land that people saw was unfit for farming.


So act...don't get mad.
 

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Went out to what i thought was BLM land a couple weeks ago in Riverside area near lake mathews. Got chased off.....apparently its no longer accessible and the sheriffs out there are citing people for going out there now. Sucks to lose a close by spot that you could wheel and shoot at.
 

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Am I a hippie?

Those environmentalists are so greedy and hateful to the OHV community it's not even funny anymore, they're afraid that a 4x4 might run into them while they're hugging a tree, BS!!!!!! Those lands are ours too! I seen a bumper sticker a while ago, Public Land Means Public Access. Just cause a small group of irresponsible OHV users that litter or go off the trail dosen't mean that the rest of us do! If I see any litter on a trail, I stop and pick it up, I want that trail to be there the next time I come. It seems like every spring when I head up to the mountains, more OHV trails are closed. :banghead
As a tree hugging off road and outdoors enthusiast I get especially pissed off when an area is closed because of some dumbass(es) littering, starting a forest fire, tearing up "roads", e.t.c. For example, if you check out Lovely Lady ridge between Lodoga and Indian Valley, you'll find the trail is nearly impassible in anything apart from a rock crawler. Same goes for stretches of trail in the surrounding area.
 

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Luckily, my son does know about Indian Valley Reservoir and the Mendocino Natl. Forest. He loves going camping and stuff out there with my buddies and I. We patrol the area around where we camp first and foremost before setting up. I've always got a full trash bag, plus our own garbage when we come home. It's now my grandchildren that I think about when we go out and enjoy God's green earth.

Oh, and not all of California is full of liberal, hippie, prius doing 45 on the freeway, cell phone glued to hand MORONS. Please watch your comments. You don't have to live in a certain place or a lifestyle to take offense at crude remarks. Some of us happen to like San Francisco, just not in our Bronco (the streets are narrow).
 

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OMG I forgot all about this post...lol lol.......sorry but my Bronco is sort of sidelined at the moment, I just had a tumor removed from my bladder, so I have to reschedule my right hip replacement surgery?...so I'm not driving the BKO that much, maybe once a week as it's at a point where the front/ rear brakes should be done, both fuel filters and the tranny fluid and filter need to be changed and of course the wonderful " upper ignition actuator" just broke after I replaced it 10 years ago so I've got my hands full...PITA.......doesn't look good for a trip to DC right now ....lol lol......:histerica

Good Luck ~ :thumbup
 

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As a tree hugging off road and outdoors enthusiast I get especially pissed off when an area is closed because of some dumbass(es) littering, starting a forest fire, tearing up "roads", e.t.c. For example, if you check out Lovely Lady ridge between Lodoga and Indian Valley, you'll find the trail is nearly impassible in anything apart from a rock crawler. Same goes for stretches of trail in the surrounding area.
Exactly! This burns me up. It happens all the time out here in PA.
 

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Lots of the wilderness is suppose to be untouched..only foot traffic. Now where they allow off-road vehicles...people aren't responsible and they try to put liability on the government since it's government owned.

People clearly aren't respectful anymore. One bad apple can ruin the whole bunch. That's how it is. Watch who you hang out with because when they fall..you will too.

If you want to ride on these areas...promote a clean forest, do clean up days, be big in the forest community. Doesn't mean you have to be a "tree hugger". Our environment is needed for future generations and at the rate of urban and agricultural sprawl...we're losing forest daily.

You can work with the government with this situation if you team up, be responsible, and push the bad folks out, and even get involved with these environmental groups...talk with them...let them see your view and you see theirs. Working together is the only way.

One main thing might be an issue is bogging up a river or creek...which in returns hurts wildlife...mainly fish since the sediment stirred up with deprive them of oxygen.

And most of these national forest out west were land that homesteaders didn't take with the homestead act. The government didn't TAKE them...they just took what no one want..usually land that people saw was unfit for farming.


So act...don't get mad.

Hit the nail on the head with this one!


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As someone who grew up in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada mountains, nothing these environmentalist surprises me. They virtually killed the logging industry with over regulation. And now the forests are choked with overgrown brush and too many small tress, which make nothing but fuel for these huge mega-fires. Fewer logging roads means less access for the off-road community. Of course we also need to police ourselves better. One Jackass who tears up sensitive land (like was recently done in Death Valley National Park) gives us all a black eye.
 

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Of course in the wake of the two current fires, I can see California using them to try and ban off-road use because of the "fire safety" issue. Even though it appears utility companies equipment may have been the cause of both fires!!
 

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I found this Headline:

Gov. Brown signs bill allowing utility companies to move fire-related costs to customers
Posted 12:53 PM, September 21, 2018, by Los Angeles Times


Yah no shxt, starting fires is a hell of a way to move fire-related costs to customers!
 

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I found this Headline:

Gov. Brown signs bill allowing utility companies to move fire-related costs to customers
Posted 12:53 PM, September 21, 2018, by Los Angeles Times


Yah no shxt, starting fires is a hell of a way to move fire-related costs to customers!
Typical of Moon Beam to allow the costs passed on to the customer. Such B.S.!!!
 
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