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Neutral Safety Swtich wiring question

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Okay, bear with me while I once again hit everyone here with the need for advice…and on a subject that I know has been asked quite often (but honestly I’ve not seen any definitive answers).

This may be a bit long winded….better grab a beer or two.

My 89 BKO had an AOD trans, it got fried and I have a nice C-6 that I am rebuilding, so I am going to swap it in with some other freshly rebuilt goodies (parts are all from my old 83 BKO, so I have the transmission, transfer case, cross member and drive shafts).

Now my problem lies in the NSS, C-6 and AOD do not share the same switch…or apparently the harness as well. C-6 NSS has four wires, AOD has 5 wires. So I started here by previously asking questions, never really getting exact instructions on what wire goes where…which is cool, since every project is different, so what one person does may not work for another (not whining…just stating a fact ;) ).

Well today it was nice outside, I finally had sometime to myself and decided to investigate…so out I go with trusty Haynes manual, some paper for notes and the ambition to try and figure this out.

Now I think I’ve got it somewhat figured, but what I need is some confirmation and clarification on what I’ve figured out.

Here is what I saw (I pulled back protective covers to expose clean wires that were not faded to verify colors):

AOD NSS harness wire colors this harness is what leads into the electrical maze we call a wiring harness (and if I read the Haynes manual right, what they do):

Purple with Orange stripe = B/U lamps
Black with Pink stripe = B/U lamps
Red with Lt. Blue stripe = Ignition
Red with White stripe = Electric Shift Control Module *
White with Pink stripe = ???

* AOD’s aren’t electric shift though…so I am thinking that isn’t what it sounds like…but still part of the circuit that is needed for the NSS to only allow starting in the P or N position.

C-6 NSS harness colors: These are the colors on the harness section that goes from the switch itself on the transmission side to the plug that would connect to the harness above:

Red with Blue stripe
Black with Pink stripe
Purple with Orange stripe

So if I am thinking correctly, I should be able to splice the same color wires for the B/U lamps (Purple with Orange and Black with Pink) from the AOD harness into the C-6 switch and should have functioning B/U lamps…so long as all the other wiring after that is still in good shape.

As for the actually NSS, I would splice the Red with Blue and the Red with White (from the AOD) to the two Red with Blue wires from the C-6 switch, and should effectively have a fully functioning NSS switch, am I on the right track so far….or has my train of thought completely derailed?

And then there is that last wire from the AOD harness, the White with Pink stripe wire…I didn’t see any reference to it in the diagrams. I recall asking once before and someone said that one of the 5 wires is a ground to the computer. If that is the case, what do I do with it, just tape it off and tuck it away somewhere…or attach it to another ground wire somewhere else?

I just wanted to get some opinions here to make sure I am on the right track with my thoughts, I am much better at mechanical than electrical situations….but I am trying to learn! And I sure don’t want to start hacking my wires without knowing for sure.

So let me hear it folks…does what I wrote sound right, if not….HELP!!

Thanks!!

Mike
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Seriously, 65 "lookers" at this post and no answer....not even a "search newb!!!":toothless

Giving it a bump for hopes of advice....

Mike
Well I'm another looker with the exct same issue.. ditched the AOD and got a C6 And I have suedo recruited someone to help look.. Hopefully they find something and post up!

For the past few years we've had the NSS coming into the cab through the xfer case shifter boot and I just push it in with the right hand and turn the key with the left hand.. :brownbag
yo,
Somehow, I never saw your Qs!!
We has another discussion on this somewhere here in FSB around the same time period;
Spectre is also interested in doing this NSS swap in his Bronco with AOD to C6

Here is what I have found so far withOUT an official Ford Wiring Diagram;


MIESK5 NOTE; I added the ckt info here based on XRIS's 1986 Diagram; link is below;

Red with Blue stripe - from IGN SW thru NSS to Starter Relay; See Page 2, it shows Red/Lt Blu from Ignition Switch to NSS

Black with Pink stripe - Could be PNK/BLK from NSS to BACK-UP LIGHTS

Purple with Orange stripe - PPL/ORN, based on Xris diagram is from Fuse 5 to BACK-UP SWITCH (NSS)
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[on page 2 of XRIS's Diagram)
Red/Lt Blu from Ignition Switch to NSS

Red/Lt Blue from NSS to Starter Relay

Gry/Yel from NSS to EEC PIN # 30 READ RYAN'S INFO -
DO NOT hook up the EFI to the Neutral Safety Switch
That is for the start circuit, between the ignition switch and starter relay.
If you put 12volts on pin 30 you risk frying some circuits on the computer!

You can view wire diagrams for EFI here
http://fordfuelinjection.com/?p=6
Gry = Gray
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by buddy65; "...This might be of help. The main job of the neutral drive switch (also known as neutral safety) is to keep you from starting your engine with your automatic transmission in a gear other that park or neutral, and has nothing to do with the computer. As a second job, this NDS circuit is used by the computer (connected to pin 30) so that EEC IV can increase engine idle speed slightly when not in neutral or park - this allows the engine to run smoother at these times. I'm not sure why it is used at all for a manual transmission. Anyway, it will pump out a KOEO code 67 if pin 30 is not connected to the NDS circuit. On '88 to '91 V8 EEC wiring, all you need to do is tee the computer pin 30 wire into the NDS circuit which goes from the transmission to the ignition switch, and no more code 67. That's what I did on mine, and the code went away. I was never able to start it other than in park or neutral even though I had pin 30 connected wrong at first..."
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NSS Wiring Diagram in an 86
Source: by Xris at SuperMotors.net

See page 1 & 2
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Next is NSS Wiring Diagram in 78 Bronco & 76-78 F Series
Source: by Blue79 at photobucket.com
Looks like a PARTIAL Diagram;

Blk/Red = Back-Up Light Fuse 15 amp to NSS and then to Back-Up Lights

Red/Blu = From Ignition Switch to NSS and then to Starter Relay
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Next up in the battin' order today is da AOD NSS info;
I ahve added info here to UNK's Qs"
AOD NSS harness wire colors this harness is what leads into the electrical maze we call a wiring harness (and if I read the Haynes manual right, what they do):

Purple with Orange stripe = B/U lamps
Black with Pink stripe = B/U lamps
Red with Lt. Blue stripe = Ignition
Red with White stripe = Electric Shift Control Module *
White with Pink stripe = ??? MIESK5 NOTE; by Mr. EdC ASE Mastertech; "...The neutral safety portion of the connector has a white with pink going in, (if it was equipped with starter interrupt)

and a red with light blue going out to the starter relay. Without starter interrupt, both the wires going into and out of the neutral safety switch are red with a lt blue tracer.
This is in re to a Q about; dropped a 302 w/ AOD transmission into my 1949 Ford pickup (forhet that 49 up stuff)

Read more & see te diagram showing White with Pink stripe : http://www.justanswer.com/questions...matic-for-1985-aod-transmission#ixzz0poY4vI2L

at http://www.justanswer.com/questions/246i6-need-wiring-schematic-for-1985-aod-transmission
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Read more:


Read more: http://www.justanswer.com/questions...matic-for-1985-aod-transmission#ixzz0poWMyUag
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I Have an 89, 351 and C6 equiped Bronco. It has the starter bypassed with a switch from the PO and I am trying to get it to work with the key like it should. I took the column apart and found everything ok in there. I then found some bad wires in the harness down to the NSS. I pulled the NSS out and the harness as well. I repaired the wires and I am assuming the NSS is bad and plan on getting a new one. But I would like to test if it will start if I by pass the NSS 1st so I know the problem is solved.

My problem is my wire colors are different from what is described here. My haynes manual only shows a Red/Blue wire going to the NSS and then to the Start solenoid. My harness has 6 wires going to the NSS and only one of them is Red/Blue... not 2.

The wire colors I have are:
Orange (solid)
Black ( solid )
White/Pink
Black/Pink
Red/Blue
Purple/Orange


It seems like I should connect the Red/blue to the white/pink to test my starting circuit, but am not sure and don't want to fry the computer or anything!!

Anyone have a better schematic than my Haynes??

Thanks!
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I'm sure I previously posted a pinout for an AOD NSS. :shrug However, I never had the color codes.

Anyway, I cant help with the color codesbut will contribute.....some of the AODs had 4 pin NSS, and some had 5. I used a VOM to determine which pins were which. The 5th pin to the computer was not used on some models.

Ive never needed the 5th (computer) pin because my AODs went into hotrods. Currently, I have an AOD behind a MAF 5.0HO in a 65 Falcon. I know that in order for the computer to self-diagnose, it had to see park. I can only assume it was aground to the computer.

I am just throwing that out in case your OBD doesnt work after the swap.

I am preparing to the reverse swap. I have a beefed up AOD to replace a fairly newly rebuilt C-6.
Well I think I answered my own ? ...

Purple/Orange and Black Pink are for the reverse lights.

Orange and Black must be for the Electric shift that mine doesn't have but the wires are there anyway...?

this leaves the Red/Blue and White/pink for the starter circuit.

I wired them together to check and no start!! :banghead

I then measured 7 Volts at the solenoid's Red/Blue wire when the key is turned. :doh0715: :banghead

So back to starting over I guess... making sure the column switch is making a good connection is my next step.

Anything else to check??

Cheers :beer
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Well I think I answered my own ? ...

Purple/Orange and Black Pink are for the reverse lights.

Orange and Black must be for the Electric shift that mine doesn't have but the wires are there anyway...?

this leaves the Red/Blue and White/pink for the starter circuit.

I wired them together to check and no start!! :banghead

I then measured 7 Volts at the solenoid's Red/Blue wire when the key is turned. :doh0715: :banghead

So back to starting over I guess... making sure the column switch is making a good connection is my next step.

Anything else to check??

Cheers :beer
Red and blue are on the "S" terminal of the solenoid, right?

Even with 7 volts there it should click.

I dont have the wiring diagram to guide you on the colors, but without it, I would try several "start over" steps to be sure of what you have.

(You'll need a meter or test light)

At the NSS:
1) turn on your ignition.
2) test each wire for +12v
3) the one with +12v should be your power for the backup lights. Mark it.
4) have someone turn the ignition to start
4) test the remaining wires for voltage.
5) the one with voltage is your power for the "start" circuit.

As far as the other wires: (the safe way to do it)
6) Shut off ignition and lights.
7)ground each remaining wire individually, and test for continuity at the wire on the "S" terminal on the solenoid. The one with continuity is the other half of the start circuit.


8) pull a tailight lens and unplug the backup light. Apply power (I think I would use a 9v battery) to the socket / wire and look for the voltage at the NSS in one of the 2 remaining wires.

9) tape off the last wire....it goes to the computer.

Sorry if this seems elementary, but this is how I would do it w/o a wiring diagram.
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Red and blue are on the "S" terminal of the solenoid, right?

Even with 7 volts there it should click.

I dont have the wiring diagram to guide you on the colors, but without it, I would try several "start over" steps to be sure of what you have.

(You'll need a meter or test light)

At the NSS:
1) turn on your ignition.
2) test each wire for +12v
3) the one with +12v should be your power for the backup lights. Mark it.
4) have someone turn the ignition to start
4) test the remaining wires for voltage.
5) the one with voltage is your power for the "start" circuit.

As far as the other wires: (the safe way to do it)
6) Shut off ignition and lights.
7)ground each remaining wire individually, and test for continuity at the wire on the "S" terminal on the solenoid. The one with continuity is the other half of the start circuit.


8) pull a tailight lens and unplug the backup light. Apply power (I think I would use a 9v battery) to the socket / wire and look for the voltage at the NSS in one of the 2 remaining wires.

9) tape off the last wire....it goes to the computer.

Sorry if this seems elementary, but this is how I would do it w/o a wiring diagram.
No Click at the solenoid... I read 7 Volts disconnected from the solenoid. I ran a wire from the White/Red to the solenoid to bypass the Red/Blue... no click either... although it reads 11.5 Volts disconnected. Like you said back to basics... thanks for the reply I will give it a go.

:beer
Well Uncle Monkey I just put a np435 in my 89' Bronco with a 5 wire harness for an AOD with the exact same wiring issue and I have great news. Your thread got me on the right track with the colors so I figured I would help you with that pesky 5th wire. You have the correct assumption of all the wires and corresponding colors.
Purple with Orange stripe = B/U lamps
Black with Pink stripe = B/U lamps
Red with Lt. Blue stripe = Ignition
Red with White stripe = Electric Shift Control Module *
White with Pink stripe = ???
I found a diagram poking around the internet one day and I figured out all you need to do is run a wire from the small terminal on the solenoid on the fender to the white wire with the pink stripe. that completes the circuit back to the computer which gets rid of the starter interrupt. the back up lamps obviously go to your c-6 harness as well the other two for the nss. You were exactly right the whole time. Basically just run 12 volts to that 5th wire. (I put a fuse in mine just in case I wasn't correct.) If this solution scares you a little then you could do like I did for a few weeks and just make sure you are in neutral or park and bridge the large terminals on the solenoid on the fender.
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Has any one tried to splice in the 4 pin NSS with the 6 pin connector? Im having the same problem finding the 6 pin NSS...I was thinking about getting the 4 pin and splicing in the 6 pin...Just need to find out the color code for the 4 pin....still looking for the color code...
Has any one tried to splice in the 4 pin NSS with the 6 pin connector? Im having the same problem finding the 6 pin NSS...I was thinking about getting the 4 pin and splicing in the 6 pin...Just need to find out the color code for the 4 pin....still looking for the color code...
Basically this thread is to address swapping the NSS between a C-6 and an AOD.

I would suggest more searching as this topic is kicked around frequently.
Basically this thread is to address swapping the NSS between a C-6 and an AOD.

I would suggest more searching as this topic is kicked around frequently.
Well I did it today and it worked....Check out my last 3 post....I hope this helps any one else...

http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5258914#post5258914
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