new starter set up

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Fireguy50

Discussion Starter · May 6, 2006

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My starter was getting heat soaked if I let the truck sit and idle for 10min. It wouldn't restart unless it had 2min to cool. I decided to upgrade! :chili:

First I ditched the stock starter solenoid from the fender.

All that's left is my large electrical distribution stud:

I built a new starter cable paired with a 16ga wire that activates the new starter solenoid. I re-wired one of the 30amp relays in the underhood fuse box for the starter.

Then I ordered a PMGR Starter and bolted it up:

Everything works, and I have the latest technology.

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blueoval78

· #2 · May 6, 2006

you should get one of those starter heat blankets too, helped mine out after the headers

Sixlitre

· #3 · May 7, 2006

Looks well engineered Ryan

pardon my ignorance, but what is PRMG. Also what's different about a 96 starter ?

I know when I changed my old 360 Mopar starter for one of the new gear reduction Magnum engine starters I couldn't even hear the "rurrr rurrr rurr" anymore, it just fired the second I turned the key.

Sixlitre

psygn0sis

· #4 · May 7, 2006

I also had the heat soak problem.. all I did was replace the starter.... Works Great now !

Dustball

· #5 · May 7, 2006

He spelled it wrong. It's PMGR- permanent magnet gear reduction. The trucks switched to that style starter in the 90's, 1993-up I think.

Sixlitre

· #6 · May 7, 2006

Dustball said:
He spelled it wrong. It's PMGR- permanent magnet gear reduction. The trucks switched to that style starter in the 90's, 1993-up I think.

Thanks Dustball

so that's what the gear reduction Magnum starter did for my old Cheeseler too ? What a frickin' difference that made. One of my Impala buddies was goading me by saying "it's starts like a Chev now", which I couldn't deny as he was right.

Sixlitre

El Bicho

· #7 · Jun 23, 2006

So, how would you wire this up in a vehicle with the old style starter relay (like my '88 5.8). I have the starter, I just can't figure out the wiring. Thanks.

Fireguy50

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 6, 2008

I've had the PMGR Starter for a while now. This is how I wired the new relay, it has worked great:

As you can see the headlight switch is powered by this relay. So when the key is in start, it cuts out the lights to shunt maximum power to the starter.

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kf4amu

· #9 · Oct 6, 2008

Whats wrong with running the red/blue wire directly to the trigger post on the PMGR starter?

Fireguy50

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 6, 2008

kf4amu said:
Whats wrong with running the red/blue wire directly to the trigger post on the PMGR starter?

the solenoid draws ~25amps, it would overheat the igintion switch.

kf4amu

· #11 · Oct 6, 2008

OK maybe thats why my starter doesnt always start. I figured what the hell, lets just run it directly to the starter.

Guess I'll put the starter relay back on.

Fireguy50

Discussion Starter · #12 · Oct 7, 2008

you should look at your ignition switch and the harness plug for any heat damage :duh

Ditch Baby

· #13 · Apr 5, 2009

Is it a wise idea to have the headlights, any AUX lights, and efans shut off when you turn the key to the crank position?

Not sure if the instant load of everything coming back on after the motor starting is a good idea.

The efans have a controller with a "soft start" feature.

Fireguy50

Discussion Starter · #14 · Apr 6, 2009

you want as few items as possible running while the starter and alternator fluctuate the voltage

351w500

· #15 · Apr 6, 2009

Steve, A few monthe ago I ordered the PMGR no. 2-1806-FD-1 and the "Starter Retro Kit" for my '90 Bronco... So I shouldn't wire it up with the kit i got ? If so, Got any part no's for the right stuff? I dont wanna overheat nuthin'.

Ditch Baby

· #16 · Apr 6, 2009

wire it up like Ryan shows in the instructions included with the kit.

kf4amu didnt install the wiring like stated with the kit, there for there could be problems.

351w500

· #17 · Apr 6, 2009

Thank's Nascar.

justin

· #18 · Apr 8, 2009

No love for the 73-79 F series. I have a 4.5" starter on my 4.9 77 F100.....would this starter not fit?

ou_man

· #19 · Apr 8, 2009

I have had the heat soak issue as well. Is it just the redisgn of the starter that makes it work well? I ask because I had read about the starter you used, and was trying to decide whether to go the route you went, or to purchase a new stock starter and wrap it with a heat blanket from Summit.

Fireguy50

Discussion Starter · #20 · Apr 8, 2009

justin said:
No love for the 73-79 F series. I have a 4.5" starter on my 4.9 77 F100.....would this starter not fit?

what engine / trans does it have?
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