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when you do traffic stops do you encourage a person to tell you if they are carrying even if they don't ask? Or do you like them to hand you their CCW along with their license?

WA state is a state that doesn't require you to disclose it, but I know some LEOS like you to.

Just looking for opinions... don't plan on getting stopped but doesn't hurt to ask..
 

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since I live in CA i can't get a CCW but my friend has one since he is a CO and he was told it's always best to tell the officer that he has an "off duty weapon" just to avoid suprises. I would think it would be similar in a state that you can get a CCW that it would be a courtesy to let the LEO know that you are carrying.

On a related topic he got pulled over by CHP with guns drawn once while riding his motorcycle because his jacket lifted on the highway and reveled his carry piece. The CHP told him they got several calls of a motorcyclist with a gun. Another time he got confronted by a few managers and loss prevention at an electronics store (we both used to work there) because it stuck out a bit when he squated down to read some price tags. Moral is make sure it stays concealed, but let LEO's know it's there.
 

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I'm not a Leo, but the few times I have gotten pulled over I've let the officer know, and they've always seemed to be very appreciative. It seems it's not a common thing for people to do around here.
 

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I am from TX and I was informed to hand CHL with ID to the officer and then also inform them of where the weapon is. When I was pulled over for speeding and informed of this the officer didn't say we had to just it was better that way. Makes the officer feel you are not triing to hide something. He told me a good way to do it was hand the id's and say, "I am licensed to carry and I am carrying on my right hip at this time." All that happened to me the first time I was pulled over we talked no biggie never got out or anything. Second time I was pulled over the officer remover me from the vehicle had me spread eagle on the trunk removed my weapon, and extra mags, then unloaded my weapon and set it in front of me on the trunk then talked to me about the ticket. Then after writing the ticket. He told me I could retrieve my weapon but to not reload it until he left the scene. Texas is special though because you are basically issued some type of a weapon at birth. Everyone has at least one.
 

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I've been pulled over in NY and I'm not to sure of the rules but I'm pretty sure that most LEO's ask if there is anything you need to tell them. I was told to wait until then and them tell them then. Done it before and it worked out well. Told him there was a 44 in the glove box and he said "thats fine, just leave it there" like it was no big deal.
 

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Arizona just signed a bill making concealed carry legal without a CCW. Should be interesting to see if anything changes with the local LEO's. I know they say they are taught to assume everyone is armed but without actually being in their shoes I don't know how they are going to react. With that said I don't always disclose that i'm carrying. Depends on the situation. If I get pulled over for some random traffic stop I don't usually say much. However one night I was coming out of the desert at about 2300 in the bronco and a sheriff came from a few block away and was hell bent to get me. I don't know why but after some erratic crazy speeding shit he finally ended up on my block and came to a skid stop behind me in the driveway at my house. Hopped out of his car with every light the car has turned on and yelling through his PA. My buddy and I were like WTF? Turns out my license plate light was out! :banghead I made sure to tell that lunatic I was carrying! :twak
 

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I am from TX and I was informed to hand CHL with ID to the officer and then also inform them of where the weapon is. When I was pulled over for speeding and informed of this the officer didn't say we had to just it was better that way. Makes the officer feel you are not triing to hide something. He told me a good way to do it was hand the id's and say, "I am licensed to carry and I am carrying on my right hip at this time." All that happened to me the first time I was pulled over we talked no biggie never got out or anything. Second time I was pulled over the officer remover me from the vehicle had me spread eagle on the trunk removed my weapon, and extra mags, then unloaded my weapon and set it in front of me on the trunk then talked to me about the ticket. Then after writing the ticket. He told me I could retrieve my weapon but to not reload it until he left the scene. Texas is special though because you are basically issued some type of a weapon at birth. Everyone has at least one.
Another Texan here.. If you have a CHL you are required to give it to the cop along with your license as Cazper said. But... In Texas you can carry in your vehicle without a CHL as long as you can legally own it, are in control of the vehicle and are not committing any crime or are a gang member. It must not be visible.

The question has come up on another board I am on, whether you should notify the cop if you are carrying in your vehicle and are not a CHL holder. The consensus, backed up by a couple of LEO's, was not to inform them unless specifically asked.

In that case I would probably only notify them if it were in the glove box where I need to retrieve insurance information. Then it would be "Sir, I have a handgun in the center console where my insurance information is kept." More than likely they will ask you to step out of the vehicle and they will secure the gun until the stop is completed.
 

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Another Texan here.. If you have a CHL you are required to give it to the cop along with your license as Cazper said. But... In Texas you can carry in your vehicle without a CHL as long as you can legally own it, are in control of the vehicle and are not committing any crime or are a gang member. It must not be visible.

The question has come up on another board I am on, whether you should notify the cop if you are carrying in your vehicle and are not a CHL holder. The consensus, backed up by a couple of LEO's, was not to inform them unless specifically asked.

In that case I would probably only notify them if it were in the glove box where I need to retrieve insurance information. Then it would be "Sir, I have a handgun in the center console where my insurance information is kept." More than likely they will ask you to step out of the vehicle and they will secure the gun until the stop is completed.

I believe you are no longer required to give an officer both Drivers License and CHL permit unless specifically asked, however i am not a lawyer and my advise will not hold in court.


I also think it is very unjust when an officer disarms a person for the only reason of having a weapon. This may just be me being a paranoid **** though.
 

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I appreciate it. Knowing there is a loaded firearm present in the vehicle is better than NOT knowing. Although its not a requirement ( in az) for you to inform an officer we certainly appreciate it and usually treat the situation with more respect . Depending on situation and gut feeling I usually take the fire arm back to my car, clear the chamber , drop the mag and after completing whatever task I am doing with the stop, I return the fire arm to the ocupant inside a large clear zip lock bag. Very rarely do we run a #'s check on hand guns, again depends on the situation/cicumstances. Now, Ive even seen officers return the fire arm with a zip tie through the chamber.. A little extreme if you ask me. Case by case , my friend. Officer discretion.

When I was 23 I obtained my CCW in Az, and since then I have always informed officers about it. I don't know if in the past it prevented me from getting tickets? But out of all the years and traffic stops I was in , before becoming a LEO I never once received a citation ?
 

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I believe you are no longer required to give an officer both Drivers License and CHL permit unless specifically asked, however i am not a lawyer and my advise will not hold in court.

I also think it is very unjust when an officer disarms a person for the only reason of having a weapon. This may just be me being a paranoid **** though.
I don't know if it has changed either. I do think that if you are not carrying you weren't obligated to do so. I know many that still do though because often, after presenting it, the cop lets the CHL holder off with a warning.

I agree with the disarming thing being unnecessary as a general rule but can also see the officer's perspective. I guess my reaction would depend on how they approached it.
 

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I think a majority of the time it is viewed by the officer as a common courtesy as opposed to a legal mandate (be sure to check you local laws though). You are informing them of a major concern they have with most of the contacts they have with the public. Traffic stops are one of the more high risk contacts. Just like the local population, departments are staffed by a cross section of the public they serve........so yes, periodically you will run into a dickhead, but such is life in the real world.
Handing the ccw with the license is an easy "ice breaker" on how to bring the subject up. There are no absolutes, but a person who willingly advises you that he is carrying a firearm "generally" is not harboring ideas of using it against the officer. IMHO
 

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I appreciate it. Knowing there is a loaded firearm present in the vehicle is better than NOT knowing. Although its not a requirement ( in az) for you to inform an officer we certainly appreciate it and usually treat the situation with more respect . Depending on situation and gut feeling I usually take the fire arm back to my car, clear the chamber , drop the mag and after completing whatever task I am doing with the stop, I return the fire arm to the ocupant inside a large clear zip lock bag.
Time to play devil's advocate:

Why do you take it upon yourself to unload it? Most cops I know are not "gun people" but rather treat them as a necessary tool for their chosen occupation. One of my old hunting buddies is a prime example. He has his service weapon, his off duty(which is a smaller version of his service), and one single hunting rifle. We went shooting and he had no idea how why the slide on my 1911 wouldn't move......the safety was engaged. Isn't it safer to leave it in the current condition? Sure the argument can be made about handing someone a loaded firearm, but someone handed it to you in that condition. :toothless
 

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I don't where in the exact law and don't know if it has been changed but as of September 1 2009 the penalty of not showing an officer your CHL was removed. It's pretty screwy and unclear



"HB 2730 removes DPS authority to suspend a concealed handgun license (CHL) for the holder’s failure to display the CHL to a peace officer on demand. It removes associated penalties and suspensions for the failure to display."

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/billlookup/History.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=HB2730
 

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It's nice to know. Believe it or not, most guys I work with think the more citizens carrying, the better (by citizens I mean non-criminals). If you're willing to tell me about it, the chances are low that you want to use it to hurt me. Just don't expect me to treat you like you're not capable of using it or we're now buddies because we both carry. As far as taking the weapon, it really depends on the driver's demeanor. If you aren't acting like a psycho, I'm more of the "Well, don't reach for it and we won't have any problems" kind of guy. Some have mentioned giving it back with a zip tie through it...well, I'd be pissed if you gave me back MY gun that I am legally carrying that way. You have just given me an expensive club if I don't have a way to cut the zip tie. The only reason I can think of to disable a gun is if it is now being submitted for evidence. Unload? Possibly. Disable? It's rude to the permit holder at the very least.

That being said, there are extremes on both ends. I was pulled in another jurisdiction, and informed the officer of my status and the location of my weapon. He returned the courtesy with a .40 in my face. Not cool, and I seriously started to wonder about his judgement at that point.

If it were me, I'd offer up the permit behind my license, and let them know what you have, as in "Got a .38 on me" or "it's in the glovebox with my registration. Do you want me to get the paperwork or would you rather do it?"
 

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I'm sure there are some officers who appreciate it, and I'm sure that it's a courtesy thing.

But, in Mississippi our CCW comes up with the information when our plates are run. We are NOT required by law to divulge to the officer if we are, or are not carrying a loaded or unloaded weapon. If he asks, I imagine the safest, most respectful thing to do would be answer honestly. I mean, if you're legally carrying, what do you have to worry about?

I can also tell you that the county I live in (Madison) permits me to carry my weapon loaded or unloaded, concealed or open when driving, at home, or at work (this is a general rule covered under Mississippi's code of 1972 Castle Doctrine section), but in Hinds county, I.E. the city of Jackson, you are not permitted to carry your weapon loaded or concealed without a weapons permit.

Technically, in Mississippi, we do not have "Concealed Carry Permits". We are a "Shall Issue" state, and we can purchase a Firearms Permit, which allows us to carry concealed. Although open carry isn't illegal in Mississippi, it isn't welcomed the way it is in New Mexico or Arizona. Once someone has obtained a MS permit, he or she can carry in whatever manor they choose. If you obtain a Class III BATF stamp for a suppressor, you may also carry that as well.
 

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Arizona just signed a bill making concealed carry legal without a CCW. Should be interesting to see if anything changes with the local LEO's. I know they say they are taught to assume everyone is armed but without actually being in their shoes I don't know how they are going to react. With that said I don't always disclose that i'm carrying. Depends on the situation. If I get pulled over for some random traffic stop I don't usually say much. However one night I was coming out of the desert at about 2300 in the bronco and a sheriff came from a few block away and was hell bent to get me. I don't know why but after some erratic crazy speeding shit he finally ended up on my block and came to a skid stop behind me in the driveway at my house. Hopped out of his car with every light the car has turned on and yelling through his PA. My buddy and I were like WTF? Turns out my license plate light was out! :banghead I made sure to tell that lunatic I was carrying! :twak
when does this go into effect?
 

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i usually dont bother to mention it, not like im getting pulled over for anything that would require me to be removed from the vehicle, on the occassions where an officer has asked me, i have obviously said yes, but i dont see the need to give the cop reason to "worry" when its late at night and ive been pulled over for runnin 10 over. I had a buddy do that once, he was driving, we got pulled over, the cop was cool, then my buddy said oh yea, i have a gun....you should have seen the cops demeanor change from there. Of course there is a proper way to inform them also...not that i really have to worry, the only times ive been pulled over in the past few years have been by cop friends who just happened to see me and want to talk.
 

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Time to play devil's advocate:

Why do you take it upon yourself to unload it?
It was a optional safety procedure that was taught to me in the academy. Even know the occupant checks out with no wants/warrants/etc I don't want to hand a loaded, chambered weapon to a guy who thinks in the back of his mind that I may search his ride and find the 8ball of meth and a stash of kiddy porn so he fires 3 to me in my chest. Just worth the extra step of safety, IMO.
 

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It was a optional safety procedure that was taught to me in the academy. Even know the occupant checks out with no wants/warrants/etc I don't want to hand a loaded, chambered weapon to a guy who thinks in the back of his mind that I may search his ride and find the 8ball of meth and a stash of kiddy porn so he fires 3 to me in my chest. Just worth the extra step of safety, IMO.
What is safer? Leaving it holstered or handling it in the confines of a vehicle?

The times that I have been pulled over while carrying were non-incidents. Every time I got "if I don't see yours, you won't see mine" approach. Of course having family and friends in blue, I have been "trained" to act properly when pulled over, i.e. hands on wheel, domelight on, etc....

I can fully appreciate the danger you face, but removing my holstered firearm and unloading it is less safe then leaving it alone.
 
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