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I am looking to buy a ford bronco and found this one.
http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/5060315277.html

The kbb.com value of that car is between $3,200 and $3,600.

So. Is kbb wrong or right?
KBB is pretty much useless for a 21 year old 4x4 that's no longer made. The value will vary based on condition, location, and features. You have to decide what it's worth to you.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the porno red interior.
 

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With old cars (or anything for that matter), the saying goes: It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Short answer is, could you live without this particular Bronco? At $4500? Maybe at $4000? Balance what it's worth to you and what the market is dictating the value is. KBB is not good for anything, period. I used to be in the car business and it was always totally off from the real value: market value.

If this 94 is a one owner, all maintenance records since new, well looked after, no rust, yada yada, then $4500 is reasonable. If it's been through a bunch of owners and there's nothing tracing history of it, get it checked out and base an offer on that, citing that there are other 92-96's out there that would instill more confidence in your acquisition.

For reference, and to my points above, I paid $3000 for my 78. Now a lot of people pay, $1000 because they are pretty beat up. But, I found an all original, unmolested, rust free (by 78-79 standards, 95% rust free is rust free) example with basically one family ownership. Now, to me, that was worth the "premium" and fair for the market (and seller).

So, again, after you know everything listed above about this 94, what is this one worth to you? KBB, NADA, Edmunds, etc. these aren't going to account for those intangible things (pieces of value) that come with a niche vehicle like a Bronco.
 

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If it is a 351 I'd also buy it for asking price. I hate rust, I can deal with all the mechanical stuff. That would be at least a 6k truck where I am at
 

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If it is a 351 I'd also buy it for asking price. I hate rust, I can deal with all the mechanical stuff. That would be at least a 6k truck where I am at
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I've seen them close to 10k here....
 

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i'd say it depends on what you're wanting out of your bronco. that truck is extremely red and i'd hate it.

if you don't care about color and only condition, it's really good.

regardless, i think $4500 is high. i'd think it's closer to $3000-$3500?
 

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i'd say it depends on what you're wanting out of your bronco. that truck is extremely red and i'd hate it.

if you don't care about color and only condition, it's really good.

regardless, i think $4500 is high. i'd think it's closer to $3000-$3500?
 

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:stupid

I've seen them close to 10k here....
Huh? That thing is no where near 6-10K. Paint is faded interior is crusty blah blah blah
 

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Huh? That thing is no where near 6-10K. Paint is faded interior is crusty blah blah blah
Here, in Michigan, it is :thumbup

We're so full of cancer on our body panels it isn't funny. Plus the fact it has less than 100k, that's almost unheard of anymore except for the lucky guys that come across them by chance.

I have a two year goal of heading to the south and bringing one back for around this price and mileage. Just hope I find a good one.

Just a few months ago, I was drooling over one that had 60k on it. They were asking 14.9K
 

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what about this one? do yall think id be able to talk them down to like $1,800 due to the work that will have to be done on it? such as painting
 

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yo S, have a 96, bought it new in May 96 and basically, we "over-maintain" it...meaning 3k mile oil/filter changes & lube, all filters changed, etc.. using Ford's severe duty schedule; see a Link at end of reply

One of the most reliable daily drivers and beach run/light off road vehicles we've have ever had (incl the ex 78).
Still, we had minor problems that we addressed quickly.

Besides the usual visual, driveability and leak checks, look for:
RUST:
oil pan, our's formed spots @ 62k miles - sand it down and prime/paint it w/ Rustoleum high temp. paint
tailgate drains for clogs/rust; check weather seals, esp the outer ws on glass
radiator core support rust where it bolts to the frame
rain gutters, bottom of B-pillars & A pillars
gas tank
leaf spring shackles
body mounts and frame
floor pan esp around rear seat belt mount
inner rear fender lips, bottom of B pillars and bottom of tailgate (fender lips are rusting due to Ford's flawed spot weld process on the inner (tub) and 1/4 panel that lets moisture & debris in the seam) - A Bronco may need extensive & $$$ patch or full panel replacements...

- radiator plastic side seam leaks, esp. during engine cool-down period/overnight - ours leaked @ 50k miles & again just recently - look for leaks after engine has cooled down, esp overnight
- look for leaks around pan from (front) Pump seal as well as engine rear main/timing chain cover seals, etc.
- auto tranny - E4OD had a lot of improvements made by 96 so look for good shifts and see the maintenance records; fluids/filter should have been changed every 30k miles and less if used for towing. AOD Specific Transmission Upgrades http://www.becontrols.com/techguide_5.htm C-6 three-speed automatic transmission
-- radius arm bushing deterioration (I coated them w/pure silicone, from day 1) but replaced at 80k miles w/Daystar polyurethane bushings
- Programmable Speedometer Odometer Module (PSOM in 92-96), make sure it works; look for a waver in the needle at highway speeds; most get yard units for DIY or troubleshoot for other issues.
- look for some maint records or contact a dealer to see what maint was done to it a Ford dealership in the past (need VIN)
or on-line dealer service record summaries (Ford is adding entries now), etc. at Ford myford.fordvehicles.com (need VIN) & must register if you haven't already for your other Fords.
If no maint records are avail; check and replace if needed all filters and fluids. Esp if it is an Auto tranny; fluid level; when at norm op temp; after running thru all gears & reverse; no burnt toast or whitish (water) deposits on dip stick.
- cracked exhaust manifold/Y, etc.
- roof/gutter area cracks
- emissions air check valve & cat. converter (AIR) tubes tend to rust early; as does the AIR tube; buy locally or from pciinc.com
- transfer case operation - electric push button motor/connector is a prob. area; usually a broken travel stop or the motor connector is fouled, etc.


do a SELF TEST -for Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC) by my pal BroncoJoe at http://broncozone.com/topic/14269-co...mode__threaded
Remember to have engine @ Normal Operating Temperature before doing the do the KOEO = Key On Engine Off portion first & KEY ON ENGINE RUNNING (KOER) portion
The self-test plugs were mounted on the passenger side fender on 85-86 EFI trucks; miesk5 NOTE, Self-Test Output (STO) is the Pin in the Lt gray Connector and Signal Return Ground (SIGRET) is Pin E in black Connector; The engine temperature must be greater than 50F (10C) to pass the KOEO Self-Test and greater than 180F (82C) to pass the KOER Self-Test. Run it around to heat the engine up and shift thru all gears incl Reverse. then; turn off all accessories/lights, etc. Make sure A/C is off and transmission is in Park (automatic) or Neutral (manual), release clutch. Do Key On Engine Off (KOEO) portion first. For Key On Engine Running (KOER) portion, the engine has to be @ normal operating temp.
Also the Check Engine Light (CEL) comes on when the electronic engine control system is not working properly. The check engine warning indicator comes on briefly when the ignition switch lock cylinder is turned to ON, and should turn off when the engine starts. If the check engine warning indicator does not come on when the ignition switch lock cylinder is turned to ON or if it comes on while the vehicle is moving, the system is malfunctioning
If the CEL does not light up at all when starting it; then suspect that bulb is burnt-out or loose, socket was damaged by PO or shop, etc. or someone removed it, which does happen, unfortunately.
RABS Overview; miesk5 NOTE: "1987 was the year the rear anti-lock brakes (RABS) were standardized on Broncos; "...Rear-wheel ABS is another type of ABS available on some light trucks. It works in a similar fashion to four-wheel ABS, but monitors and operates only the rear wheels, especially important with light trucks, which often carry heavy loads supported primarily by the rear suspension and wheels..."
RABS Self Test; except 93-96; "...The 90 service manual gives a routine to pull RABS codes. When the light comes on, don't turn the truck off before reading the codes. Put it in park, chock both front & rear of the wheels, note whether the red brake light is lit also, then momentarily ground the test connector. The test connector comes out of a large loom under the dash, coming through the firewall, near the parking brake. On mine there are 2 similar connectors in that area, the correct one has only 1 black wire with an orange tracer running to it, & was hidden on top of the loom. The correct one is hanging down on the bottom right of the pic below. After you've grounded & ungrounded the wire, the yellow abs light starts to flash. Count the flashes. It said to not count the 1st series, because it may start in the middle. The last flash of the series is a long flash. Then it repeats over & over, until you turn the key off. Count all of the short flashes & the long one together (So 4 short & 1 long is code #5). If I remember right, it should be a number between 2 & 15 or so. If you follow Steve83's sig link, & then go to his Brakes & Hubs album, he has the code definitions for RABS.." READ MUCH MORE; miesk5 Note, Steve83 wrote, The RABS module won't screw up the speedo or trans the way the 4WABS module can, and even if it goes bad, simply unplugging it removes it from the Gy/Bk circuit.
Source: by ElKabong (Ken, El Kabong) at http://fullsizebronc...ad.php?t=165569

The 4-wheel anti-lock brake system in 93-96 is self monitoring. When the ignition switch is placed in the RUN position, the anti-lock brake electronic control module will perform a preliminary self check on the anti-lock electrical system indicated by a momentary illumination of the amber ABS warning light in the instrument cluster. During vehicle operation, including normal and anti-lock braking, the anti-lock brake electronic control module monitors all electrical anti-lock functions and some hydraulic operations. In most malfunctions of the anti-lock brake system, the amber ABS warning light will be illuminated. However, most malfunctions are recorded as a coded number in the anti-lock brake electronic control module memory and assist in pinpointing the component needing service.
Suggest you buy the official FORD Bronco Electrical and Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual - Powertrain Controls and Emission Diagnosis (EVTM/PCED) Manual DVD for Pin-Point Tests; it is the BEST under $15.00 or so item you can get to service and repair your Bronco! Avail on e-bay.
 
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