ZF 5 speed info?

84excursion · Jan 16, 2004

Are the two wheel drive and 4 wheel drive 5 speeds the same?

Does anyone have a length measurement on them? as comparred to an np435?

I want to swap one into my 84.

Aikidoka · Jan 16, 2004

I researched it some looking for the max torque input a while back. Now that was not an easy thing to find. I never saw multiple listings for ZF5s so I would assume they are the same. You'll want to make sure your transfer case can hook up to it.

85f150 · Jan 16, 2004

yea the 4 wheel drive and 2wd are the same except 4wd has the tailhousing unbolted and the adapter on....i would also love to put this in my truck and get rid of the np435 so the length thing would be awesome...I could measure the mazda 5 speed i have up to where the tailhousing comes apart at because the mazda is a direct swap with the zf.. :beer

SquattyD · Jan 16, 2004

Its big....alot bigger than a 435, it is a direct swap for a mazda, but it is still bigger than the mazda.

ZF on top, Mazda on the bottom.

Aikidoka · Jan 16, 2004

Hey Squatty, you happen to have a listing of compatible transfer cases?

Aikidoka · Jan 16, 2004

More zf5 info. Can anybody identify if any of the parts needed stuff only pertains to the early?

http://www.classicbroncos.com/tranny-zf.shtml

badblack88 · Jan 16, 2004

Aikidoka said:
Hey Squatty, you happen to have a listing of compatible transfer cases?

any ford t-case AFAIK.

SquattyD · Jan 17, 2004

Some tcases you need an adaptor, but a 1356 will bolt right up. I know you need an adaptor for a Dana 20, but a NP-205 or anything similar should bolt up.

Guest · Jan 17, 2004

I got an extra ZF, but it needs some work. There where two models made and gearing is very different. See Mine here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...3733&item=2453872960&sspagename=STRK:MESSE:IT

The plate on the side of the tranny gives gearing for 1st and reverse. I also found a ZF repair manual on someones site. It's in PDF format and 17 pages long. I'll try to find the site or can e-mail it to you if you PM me. I won't be able to e-mail till I get into my office and DSL.

84excursion · Jan 18, 2004

I was pretty sure that the zf was bigger than the 435, but is ut any longer?

And I f I got ahold of a 2 wheel drive, zf would the tail housing come off, so I could put on the adapter for the tranfer case?

I thought the zf was a solid unit.?

Aikidoka · Jan 18, 2004

From looking at the photo I think I can see where the adapter would come off and the cap for 2WD would attach. I also think I saw somewhere that that was possible.

What's the easiest way to identify the ZF with the granny 1st and overdrive 5th?

GearHead · Jan 18, 2004

you said this one was from an f250 diesel. those has the same bolt pattern as a small block ford?
when my e4od blows up, i wanna put one of these in.

Blown said:
I got an extra ZF, but it needs some work. There where two models made and gearing is very different. See Mine here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...3733&item=2453872960&sspagename=STRK:MESSE:IT

The plate on the side of the tranny gives gearing for 1st and reverse. I also found a ZF repair manual on someones site. It's in PDF format and 17 pages long. I'll try to find the site or can e-mail it to you if you PM me. I won't be able to e-mail till I get into my office and DSL.

SquattyD · Jan 19, 2004

the one i showed was behind a 351w.

the easiest way to tell if it has the granny gear you want is to look at the tag on the side that says Gears: and it should say 5.72 - 0.76 or something to that effect. If it says 5.72, grab it.

bucknbronc · Jan 19, 2004

1)A ZF from a diesel will bolt up to a small block?

2)How hard would it be to go from AOD to ZF?

3)Could it be easy as grabing the parts from a junkyard and swaping?

85f150 · Jan 19, 2004

1)A ZF from a diesel will bolt up to a small block?
NOOOOO... Diesel different, you have to find one behind a 351 or similar smallblock bolt pattern

2)How hard would it be to go from AOD to ZF?
The usual stuff...driveshaft lengthing/shortening (in a bronco), adding the clutch hydraulics and so on and so fourth

3)Could it be easy as grabing the parts from a junkyard and swaping?
with the right junkyard yes, but it would be easier to find a donor truck to buy...and it would also be easier to go the other way meaning stick to auto

GearHead · Jan 19, 2004

lemme guess. lots of zf's behind diesels.
not to many behind small blocks. true?
do the diesels share the same bolt pattern with any gas motors?

Guest · Jan 20, 2004

Sorry for misinformation. The ZF I got is from an F250 and was bolted to 351W. So it will fit 302 or 351W. I got it screwed-up in my head cause heard only the ones with the low gears came behind a diesel. :banghead

I do have the manual in PDF and will get it to you aikoda. I tried with dial-up waste of time.

ZF listed here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...3733&item=2455314954&sspagename=STRK:MESSE:IT

Franklin · Jan 20, 2004

I did it, love it and was the exact same cost as rebuilding the POS e40d. I have a thread on here with a parts list. Only thing to fab is the tranny mount as the ZF is 3.5" shorter. I made the mount 1.5 higher with gussets on both sides. Any ??? just email me.

Aikidoka · Jan 20, 2004

Hey Blown, any idea on the shipping cost to MD on that thing?

Zebrafive · Jan 20, 2004

GearHead said:
lemme guess. lots of zf's behind diesels.
not to many behind small blocks. true?
do the diesels share the same bolt pattern with any gas motors?

I have heard that the diesel shares the same bellhousing bolt pattern as the 351M/400 and the 460.

I was also told that ZFs were used behind 460s, but were geared different than ZFs used with diesels. Something to do with the different torque bands of each engine. Not sure which gear ratios were different.

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