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Holley Sniper EFI Install

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Installed & initial impressions!

Alright I've completed my install and nearly put a full tank of gas through her! Here's the write up and initial impressions.

Installation

Unboxing. Everything was nicely packaged.
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Here's the contents of the 40' inline pump kit. They accidentally gave me an extra bulkhead fitting for the gas tank return. Only 1 is needed.
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The contents of the throttle body kit. All the components have a very high quality feel to them. The wiring harnesses and connectors are nicely made. The supplied 02 & coolant sensors are top notch.
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After removing all my old carburetor components, the first task was to install a tank bulkhead fitting into the gas tank. This is required for the return line.

Don't be afraid about doing this task on your own with the aid of a helper; if you take your time and do things right you'll do just fine. The best location to me appeared to be in the ~11 o'clock position. Using a 9/16 bit, mark where your hole is going to go. Then, with a helper, flip the tank upside down and drill the hole upside down while your helper runs a vacuum to suck all the filings as you drill. In this way you minimize any chips that need to be cleaned out. It is also important to have a dry tank when you do this as not to cause any pieces of metal to stick to the inside of the tank.

Debur the hole after drilling, inside and out.
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Install the 90 deg. bulkhead fitting using the sealing washers supplied. This is the tricky part. I used a 1/4" drive ratchet with a deep well socket to install the nut from the inside of the tank. Use electrical tape, and or zip ties around the ratchet handle and socket cylinder to manipulate the ratchet into place. If you have a sacrificial box-end wrench it may be easiest to put a 90 deg bend in it so you don't have to use a ratchet.
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Attach the 'fuel cuff' to the threaded end of the bulkhead fitting inside the tank. This is a bit easier to do with a simple box end wrench.
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Boom, tank is ready to go.

Next, you really need to put some time and effort into thinking out your wiring depending on your level of OCD & 'accessories' that you are trying to run. I am NOT using timing control.

I highly recommend using the supplied fuel pump relay circuit.

I am running a 2-speed Ford Taurus fan setup.

Here's my schematic: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwP3o_tmutwxOVJkQndaQTZXcVU

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This setup is somewhat complex overall, but it really integrates nicely into the Holley Sniper system capabilities using it's optional relay ground triggers. It gives me the benefit of the first fan speed turning on at 190, and the second 'Hi' fan speed turning on at 200. Or I can configure those temperature to whatever I want them to be. My above setup also gives me the ability to manually override the system by turning the fan off, or on at any time for any reason. Here are my KC lights, fan, and fuel pump relays & fuses.
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Some additional wiring that I hooked up was another ground trigger for the "A/C Kick" functionality of the Sniper system. Basically, when the A/C compressor kicks on, the ECU gives the rpms a little boost to compensate for the extra load on the engine at low idle. I am using the A/C compressor for my OBA system, not A/C, fyi. Here's the A/C compressor kick relay + manual reverse light relay.
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One thing that I did not care for was the fact that all the wiring harnesses connect to the Sniper throttle body unit via ~12" pigtails from the throttle body. This means your harness connectors are in awkward places throughout the engine compartment. What I would prefer is that the connectors are actually on the throttle body itself, so that all the connectors are 'attached' at the throttle body. This would also be a major benefit if the unit needs to be removed for any reason. The way it is now, I would have to cut zip ties, and spend some effort just to unwire the throttle body to remove it.

In this picture you can see the connector just sitting on top of the heater box.
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For your 12v constant on power to the pink ECU wire, use the little blue wire in the 2pin connector at the firewall near the heater box. For me, this wire was previously used for electric choke.
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Here's my 02 sensor. I run fenderwell exit Hedman headers.
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Next is the fuel pump. For the inline fuel pump, you will need to make a custom bracket to get as close to the bottom of the tank as possible. This was fairly easy. Piece of scrap metal I had lying around:
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Red is high pressure feed, blue is low pressure return.
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It does kinda feel like the pump is hanging 'down out in the open', because it is. However, it's shielded pretty well by my plate and it's out of the danger zone of my differential and any obstacles I might be going over. The ports of the pump are at the lowest level of the tank. Should make it pretty easy to wash off lol.
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Once you've run your fuel lines, it's time to hook up throttle cables and transmission kickdown cables. You NEED to convert to the Lokar cable kickdown kit, per the recommendation of Holley:
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Holley DOES NOT produce any kickdown lever/cable solutions whatsoever for the Sniper + C6 combination. The Holley rep could not tell me if they plan to offer one in the future. The Holley rep recommended Lokar to supply the solution.

To install, it's pretty straightforward but does require a little custom bracket making. Take the included kickdown cable bracket intended for other transmissions:
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And cut off the vertical portion. It is not needed and gets in the way.
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Take a piece of 2" angle iron, cut to size, and drill some holes.
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After I hooked up my pedal throttle, hand throttle, and cruise control:
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Here's a transmission end of the kickdown cable:
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In this picture you can see the 02 sensor connector on the right hand side
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A note on running fuel lines up to the throttle body. I had a fuel regulator mounted on the firewall. I used its bracket to run my high pressure hose through. This way it's kept in the center of the back of the transmission. I zip tied my supply and return lines together.
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A look at the finished installed product. Pretty sexy!
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How does it perform?

Setup was very simple and straightforward following the supplied quickstart guide. I calculated my displacement to be 414.xx cu in. at 0.060 overbore.

I used the 'stock cam' setting even with a 'mild' Comp Cams cam.

After following all the recommended procedures, the engine literally 'jumped' to life with 1/2 a crank! It literally surprised me and caught me off guard.

Immediately I noticed my idle quality was much smoother. I followed the recommended initial start and idle setting procedures and all was well. I targeted an idle of 750 rpm initially.

I went for a test drive and boy I was impressed. I could tell there were a few lean spots on hard acceleration, but after a thorough amount of driving those have all gone away with the self learning.

I have spent the most time tweaking the advanced idle parameters. I was unhappy with how long the engine remained at an elevated rpm after initial startup. I was impressed to find that all of these times and rpms are tunable via the hand held.

The hand held is nice, albeit a little small.
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I really wish it came with a windshield mount. It comes with a protective cover/stick-on mount but it requires a flat surface. I will have to investigate a better long-term mounting solution. The unit also comes with a stylus, this is particularly useful to tune the idle curves that have small points on a graph that are too difficult to move with a fat finger.

I can't say enough about the noise level of the fuel pump. It is virtually non-existant! My old pump was soooooo loud, this thing is silent! Other than a brief prime, you wouldn't even know it's there. I can't say enough how happy I am with this characteristic.

Since I don't even have a full tank of gas through it yet, I cannot comment on gas mileage; and since my tires are 35" and my gearing is off I will have to use a gps to track my mileage. But eventually, I will get it. The problem is, I don't have a comparison to the carburetor because I never tracked it before. Fuel mileage gains were NOT why I went to fuel injection.

Power definitely seems increased (or at lease optimized) and much more consistent. I did the easiest burnout (and most expensive!) burnout I've ever done! The amount of low-end torque is really incredible. Finally, the throttle response is fantastic.

All-in-all, Holley hit a home-run with the Sniper :thumbup I have already benefitted from their fantastic phone support as well, which is one of the reasons I chose Holley over FiTech.
 
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I noticed you are running cable throttle instead of the factory rod style, any reason for that. I'm going to the summit fair here in ga. and order my sniper system. My truck is already setup for this, in tank pump, regulator on the firewall, return system, and such.
let me know if you run into any issues.
thanks
outlawbob
Hi, so to be honest I did not realize that the cable was not a factory setup! I've always had the cable setup on here since I bought it; I've had an Edelbrock Performer on here til now.

Sounds like it should be pretty easy for you to get yours installed. Remember however that you will not need to use your pressure regulator with this system, as the throttle body has a built in regulator already.
 
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That's a great idea; always useful information. I would just want to make sure that this secondary regulator is backed off all the way, because if you create a redundant pressure drop in your system you will be adding unnecessary restriction to fuel flow.
 
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the sniper runs 58 pounds of pressure, if you have a secondary regulator like i do, open it up to around 60 pounds of pressure, do not use it's return port use the holleys and it should be good to go, that's what holley told me.

On my system which i am using my 78 tank, i installed a 87-89 sender unit. it has both out line and the return line. I got an fittings that fit over the lines and tighten them. I also have a removable panel above the tanks so that i can remove the sender if needed. A lot of guys have done this for that very reason. The panels are from lmc.
 
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the sniper runs 58 pounds of pressure, if you have a secondary regulator like i do, open it up to around 60 pounds of pressure, do not use it's return port use the holleys and it should be good to go, that's what holley told me.
On my system which i am using my 78 tank, i installed a 87-89 sender unit. it has both out line and the return line. I got an fittings that fit over the lines and tighten them. I also have a removable panel above the tanks so that i can remove the sender if needed. A lot of guys have done this for that very reason. The panels are from lmc.
That setup ought to work out slick! Take pictures if you get the chance.
 
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if you look up rear access panel you should find all the information needed. I will pull out the camera but i leave for vegas this weekend and it will have to wait till i get back next week. I think there are some on my posts. i looked at my photbucket pictures and it's not there. i will do it when i get back.
 
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Here are the pictures I promised. They show the floor access panel, panel removed, the tank, the sending unit in the tank and it removed. This is a 1989 sender which i use with the factory low pressure pump (12 pounds) which is regulated down to 6 1/2 for my carb. Waiting to see how your sniper works and any issues before getting one. If i do get it I will put a higher pressure pump in tank. Hope to see some updates.






 
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Just a heads up for people considering the Sniper system - there is an emerging issue with some of their (as of this date) recent production units. Basically, there's a defect in the fuel pressure regulator cover assembly as shipped that can cause the unit to be DOA out of the box or can cause abnormally high fuel pressures (which can be a serious problem). The fix is a replacement correct fuel pressure regulator cover and regulator from Holley. Holley support is now very much aware of the issue as of this week; last month when helped a friend of mine in Germany get his replacement parts sent to him, they told me that they were aware of the problem but thought it was confined to a limited number of units. That may not be the case any more. See attached links for more info:

High fuel pressure & dry return after fresh install. - Holley Performance Products Forums

High Fuel PSI - Holley Performance Products Forums

Not telling people not to buy it, as it really does look like a good system. Just sharing info so nobody gets an ugly surprise when installing their shiny new Sniper that doesn't work and they get rid of it because of an easily replaced known defective part.

Also, some reference if you're having problems adjusting a Sniper's timing - Holley's documentation is a bit questionable there:
HOLLEY SNIPER INSTALL & REVIEW (Replaced Fitech) - this through the as-of-posting-time-end of the thread (post 365).
 
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Just a heads up for people considering the Sniper system - there is an emerging issue with some of their (as of this date) recent production units. Basically, there's a defect in the fuel pressure regulator cover assembly as shipped that can cause the unit to be DOA out of the box or can cause abnormally high fuel pressures (which can be a serious problem). The fix is a replacement *correct* fuel pressure regulator cover and regulator from Holley. Holley support is now very much aware of the issue as of this week; last month when helped a friend of mine in Germany get his replacement parts sent to him, they told me that they were aware of the problem but thought it was confined to a limited number of units. That may not be the case any more. See attached links for more info:

https://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?20475-High-fuel-pressure-amp-dry-return-after-fresh-install

https://forums.holley.com/showthread.php?20392-High-Fuel-PSI

Not telling people not to buy it, as it really does look like a good system. Just sharing info so nobody gets an ugly surprise when installing their shiny new Sniper that doesn't work and they get rid of it because of an easily replaced known defective part.

Also, some reference if you're having problems adjusting a Sniper's timing - Holley's documentation is a bit questionable there:
HOLLEY SNIPER INSTALL & REVIEW (Replaced Fitech) - Page 24 - Chevelle Tech - this through the as-of-posting-time-end of the thread (post 365).
Shoot! Sucks to hear about this problem. But glad to hear they're owning up to it and have a containment plan in place.

And on the bright side, I don't have this problem ;):thumbup
 
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I don’t have the sniper, but I like my FITECH. I run a refurbished stock air cleaner and it lets the engine bay look stock.

I would use their new in tank pump system as well with dual pumps for the maximum in reliability.

I run the FCC and it gave me fits until I made some modifications to how it circulated fuel to keep it running cool.


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Thanks for the feedback gents. I’d be going in tank pump regardless and am just debating the TBI style FITech or Holley Sniper vs that 460 EFI Guys MPFI unit.

I’d want to run the timing control via the distributor so I’m thinking the Sniper unit plus the Holley Dual Sync distributor.

I’d say about $2000 separates the two options which most sane people would say the TBI option is just fine. I’m at least just crazy enough to consider that MPFI unit. Spending the money is another thing...but it’s the hyper cool and unique option with all off the shelf Ford components.

TBI style and putting the $2000 difference towards aluminum heads is probably the best option.
 
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This is also my thoughts... And I have an engine which I put together using Mustang style EFI components, harness, etc (though its in my 92). I would never do it again with the availability of the TBI units today.
 
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Thinking of getting a Sniper, but
have a question on the FP relay/supply?

Pg 16 shows the 7 pin connector

https://documents.holley.com/199r11031r.pdf

but only 6 wires on connector and then a blue wire that
runs from what looks like a relay to the FP.

Pg 17 shows

Terminal C, Blue Fuel Pump Output (+), +12v Fuel Pump Supply from Relay

Does that mean there is an internal relay somewhere
that you can power pump direct?
 
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No that is to turn on a relay for your fuel pump. You will need to install a relay to power the pump. Since every pump is different they just give you the signal wire for the relay.
OK, thanks.............
 
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Excuse me I was wrong. I was on the Holley site looking up another diagram and decided to double check myself. I was wrong.
There is a relay in the harness for the fuel pump. The blue wire comes from this relay and goes directly to the the positive side of the fuel pump.

Now I would consider this fine for factory pumps or the 255 size pumps, even the included pumps in the master kits. The larger performance pumps I would still recommend using the Blue wire to trigger an external relay and use a large size wiring to the pump. Some performance pumps use as much as 30 amps.

Reference:
Page 16 and Bottom of Page 17 7 pin connector pin out description.
https://documents.holley.com/199r11031r.pdf

Sorry for the mistake.
 
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I'm going to use a relay, wired exactly the same way, just not the relay built into the harness.
I need about 6 extra relays (for various things), and I don't want them lined up on the firewall
or inner fender, like I usually do.
 
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you can put a 88*90 intank pump in the 78 bronco. I know becausethat is what I run. For your efi you can change the pump to a high pressure one. By doing this you get the return line on the new sending / pump combination, what I did was add an fittings to the pump pressure line and return line. You don't have to do this .
 

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can you quote us the part number of the sender/pump from 88/90 Broncos?

I used the Holley Pump supplied with the kit, but its rather loud from my point of view, sure you will not hear it with engine running, but still pretty loud, before starting. Its louder than 2 044 Bosch Motorsport pumps I used in a track car years before.