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Replace Plastic Vacuum Hoses with Rubber should cover most 87-96 V8s (302\351)

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Thanks Booba5185! You motivated me to replace my old plastic vacuum lines with new Silicone lines and eliminate those pesky vacuum leaks! Your thread made it easy.

Replaced the Emmisions Solenoid lines...
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Through the Edelbrock Intake Manifold...
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Protected with Wire Loom...
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Out the passenger side...
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Plus a new Air Tube Adapter...
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Found a vacuum leak!!!
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See the pin hole at the top?
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Patched it with Blue RTV and a plastic patch...
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Then swapped it with the good Cruise Control VRESER for good measure...
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I found the Cruise Control diaphram was leaking as well and temporarily capped it...
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All is good now. Thanks again Booba!!!
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www.siliconeintakes.com


Get the Silicone Boost/Vacuum Hose Engine Dress Up Kit and then an additional 10' of 4mm vacuum hose in the color of your choice. I used wire loom to protect the hose through the Intake Manifold, to the Diverter Valve and where it rubs on the Intake to the EVP. :thumbup
 
I ended up finding 4mm silicone hose on eBay right after I posted that. I ordered 13 feet for 11 bucks which includes shipping.. i got blue so I can match you hahah. I also have wire loom already so I'm good to go... this is a cool idea. My plastic vacuum lines are royally fawked. Three are snapped completly in half


I'm actually second guessing the ebay stuff now that I read the silicone intake site. Think ill be ok with the thin stuff? It's 0.100 wall thickness
I tend to use quality components direct from manufacturers and avoid the unknowns of eBay. The thing with Silicone Lines is they tend to be soft and at the mercy of sharp objects but additional thickness of SiliconeIntakes.com vacuum lines provide resistance to cuts and vacuum collapse. Please let me know how your vacuum lines work out and any measures undertaken to protect them.



Ok, I will check the IAC and PCV valve. But, the vacuum lines don't hook into either of those parts. Let me recap: Bronco wasn't running great with some broken vacuum lines but no idle fluctuation and it wouldn't die when you turned on the A/C. I replaced all the vacuum lines and now it dies when I turn on the A/C and at idle it revs up and down. Could this be a problem with an emission part or solenoid that had a broken line previously and now it is causing problems because it is hooked up?
I found a vacuum leak in my VRESER (Vacuum Reservoir) and in the Cruise Control Diaphram. Check vacuum in these along with your Emissions Solenoids (TAB, TAD, EVR) and EVP & EGR. The use of a hand vacuum pump can isolate leaks and aid in testing components.

FYI, there are two (2) VRESER in non-electronic/vacuum controlled Cruise Control Broncos, such as my 1990. One on the passenger side is for Emmissions Solenoids and TAB/TAD Valve vacuum and one under the Coolant Overflow is for Cruise Control vacuum. Look in either wheel well for two retaining nuts. Remove them and the VRESER (Coffee Can) will simply pull out of the top. Examine them very closely and test with a hand held vacuum pump. These will frequently rust underneith or have pinhole leaks especially in older Broncos.

After isolating my vacuum leaks, I changed my spark plugs and replaced the EVR yesterday. Currently no codes, 19 inHG at idle and 11 inHG at throttle. Today I drove 100 miles at 12.5 mpg. A big change from the usual 9.5 mpg... :twotu:

My Engine sounds a whole lot smoother, a noticeable pause on initial acceleration is gone and it is definitely more peppy and "wants" to run. The old spark plugs read very good considering I have ran them in the new engine for the past year with a recently corrected TFI ICM issue. Funny, because I thought fixing a lean condition would be just the opposite... :scratchhe

Anyway, definitely check the IAC and PCV. Also, get a hand held vacuum tester and isolate/check different areas of your vacuum system. It's easy, it's fun and it's invaluable information... :thumbup


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Ron (seattleFSB), for those of us too lazy to go outside and remove and measure... what size/type of hose did you use for the intake tube? Hump/straight/reducer?
I will post this in another Technical Write Up as I do not want to monopolize Booba5185's excellent thread, (like I may have already done). Sorry Booba... :beer

Adapting a K&N Air Tube for MAF Upgrade
 
It's a one-way vacuum line that comes from the vacuum tree and branches off twice to the HVAC. I did not replace the second line as it goes through the firewall.

I believe that the line at the top of the first photo you are refering to goes to the blend door. The second photo shows the harness where the lower line enters through the firewall.

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On anther note, how do you bend your thumb back that far? Now that is cool... :twotu:
 
Here is a quote from miesk5:


yo, Yes... Get a vac canister back in there.
The vacuum reservoir is just what its name implies, a storage device for vacuum. The engine creates vacuum. The vacuum is an energy that is used as a power source to operate different emission controls and accessories like the controls for the ventilation system. There are times that an engine does not create a good supply of vacuum. Because of this the vehicle manufacturers install reservoirs to store vacuum. The hose from the engine or the reservoir itself will have a check valve that blocks the loss of vacuum back to the engine. Why is this? When accelerating, the amount of vacuum created by the engine drops to a level that will no longer power any emission controls or provide for control of the ventilation system. The reservoir is designed to hold enough vacuum in storage to maintain control under most driving conditions. If the check valve fails the vacuum reservoir will lose vacuum so quickly that there will be none left in reserve. The result? A loss of control of vacuum operated devices.

You can make your own as SigEp did but for the Emission stuff
Fabrication in a 95
Source: by SigEpBlue (Steve) at http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131448

GL!
 
Thank you guys for an excellent thread. I'm about to order away, and just wanted to clarify a couple of things so I can get quantities accurate:

1. Do the quantities of 4mm / 5/32" hose you guys are talking about include replacing all of the plastic HVAC vacuum hose going through the firewall as well as throughout the dashboard? Or are you guys only replacing engine and emissions related plastic hose? I ask because my interior plastic hose looks like they're in great shape and my vent dampers are working fine, so as long as the one-way check valve isolates any possible leaks on the HVAC side I'd rather not replace the HVAC hoses right now.
See the parts list posted by Booba for rubber lines and myself for silicone lines. Not including dash HVAC.




2. Is it definitely unnecessary to 'clamp' the ends of vacuum hoses onto barbed male fittings? Not sure what to use, but it seems like it would be simple insurance to keep hoses in place and sealed.
No clamps required as they are flexible and fit tight on the sensors and tees. Tees are cheap and usually come in a package of several. Look at the pics again.
 
VRESER, HVAC, FPR, Brake Booster, (+ my 1990 has one to the Vacuum Cruise Control & Cruise Reservoir, yours does not)

You will not see the Brake Booster vacuum Line on my Bronco as I have Electric Boost Brakes. The remaining ports are capped. Remember, some lines are main intake manifold vacuum lines and some are secondary vacuum from actuators.


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The line from the charcoal filter is for fuel vapor from the tank. It uses fuel resistant rubber and goes to the Cannister Purge Soelnoid (CANP).

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A vacuum from comes from the Intake Manifold tee, to the coffee can vacuum reservoir and then goes out the can to the bottom of the solenoids in parallel. Then the top line on the solenoids go out to the TAB/TAD/EGR.

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Here is my 1990 5.8L VECI Label. You should have on under your hood.

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Looking at your pic.s it looks as if you didn't replace your vac lines from the intake manifold to the coffee can. Any reason not to change these along with the other lines?
Huh?


Vacuum Tree to both Vacuum Reservoirs
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Emmisions/EGR Vacuum Reservoir
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Cruise Control Vacuum Reservoir
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That is the Canister Purge Solenoid (CANP). For emissions, fuel vapors are drawn from the fuel tank and are routed to a Charcoal Element Canister. The charcoal absorbs any liquid fuel and vapors are routed to the Throttle Body (Intake) to be reburned, upon command from the EEC. This is because venting vapors into the atmosphere is a major cause of pollution. The line you refer to is fuel resistant rubber as hydrocarbons will break down silicone and other non-approved materials. In other words, that is a Fuel Vapor Line not a Vacuum Line.


Charcoal Element Canister
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Canister Purge Soenoid
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Negative.

The purpose of the Vacuum Reservoir is to retain a constant supply of vacuum to the emissions solenoids for consistent operation at all manifold vacuum levels. Vacuum levels constantly change due to accessory use and rpm level.

The EVP is a 5v electrical sensor that tells the EEC the EGR position. It does not operate on vacuum. The EGR is a vacuum operated valve which is commanded by varying metered vacuum from the EVR Solenoid. The EVR Solenoid receives a constant level of vacuum from the Vacuum Canister varying levels of vacuum to the EGR as commanded by the EEC, same as the TAB & TAD Solenoids which operate the TAB & TAD Valves.

To take emission solenoid vacuum directly off of the manifold tree will make a working secondary emissions system inconsistent and cause a CEL with associated DTCs.

Keep your EGR connected to the EVR, and the EVR connected to the Vacuum Canister. Due to the Vacuum Canister Check Valve, make sure your Manifold Vacuum and Solenoid Vacuum lines are on the correct side. The blank post is for orientation - the red manifold vacuum to the left and the black solenoid vacuum to the right with the Orientation Post to the bottom.

And be sure that the EVR top vacuum port goes to the EGR and the EVR bottom vacuum port goes to the vacuum canister. All emissions solenoids are actuators on top and canister vacuum supply on bottom. Unless you mount the solenoid upside down.


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For anyone else wondering, here is my 1990 Emissions Vacuum Harness before the Silicone Vacuum Line upgrade.

  • RED line from Manifold Vacuum to Vacuum Reservoir
  • Black line from Vacuum Reservoir to TAB/TAD/EVR Solenoids
  • Pink TAB Solenoid line out to TAB Valve
  • Yellow TAD Solenoid line out to TAD Valve
  • Green EVR Solenoid line out to EGR


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