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1989 5.8L C6 Intermittent will not accelerate at all; bogs down, back fires, only will move at idle

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#1 ·
I have struggled with this intermittent problem for a year now and this is my daily driver. Luckily I am currently working from home and have been able to get by.

The Problem:
Intermittently, as in driving for three days 100 miles with maybe 20 starts and stops with no problems. Then while driving or at a stop, it will start to have a feeling of cutting out at any and all speeds. It slowly progresses for a few minutes to cut out and buck and backfire if you stay in or just touch the throttle. It gets worse over about a minute till you are at idle, trying to limp along. You can turn it off and let it sit for hours or a day and it will still do it immediately upon start-up. Other times you start it up and it will drive fine for a few days. Most of the vehicle is replaced or rebuilt at this point. (List below) With adjustments and part replacements, I seem to get a few days of hope that I have found the issue and it runs perfectly. >>>>> Then it just repeats. Cruising along and starts to stutter and progresses as described.

I have dropped it at shops for weeks at a time without it doing the failure mode for them. One shop said it had low compression and vacuum leaks around the Intake manifold. The next shop found good compression and ok via leak down test and no vacuum leaks and did multiple test drives without the issue occurring.

Vehicle run down. Started as a brilliant plan in the pandemic to get a rust-free Bronco from AZ where my son lives and build it up versus the impossibility of buying a Gen6. Well, we bought a disaster. A year and a half later flew out and drove it back with my son with only a little difficulty. (Loud, C6, One breakdown, Super high Idle, broke in engine rebuild) Drove about another 4,000 miles without this issue trying to figure out idle and other issues. Then it started this horrible issue.

Mechanical work done that I think could be pertinent to the problem. Leaving endless mostly cosmetic stuff off:
-Engine rebuilt in AZ by local shop; standard cam, nothing fancy; Was timed wrong when installed and got hot enough to melt the paint off new headers and melt the airpump emission parts. (AC box melted) (Yes I should have never accepted the vehicle but had just flown out from NY to AZ when was filled in properly)
-Injectors refurbished
-numerous parts were replaced in the rebuild; from the water pump to the radiator; the fuel system was cleaned out and replaced pump(s) and filter were also.
-Airpump system was removed and plugged out. TAD and TAB block outs installed. Fivologyracing.com
-New exhaust headers installed, New exhaust and new CAT.
-C6 rebuild
-Rear axle rebuild
-Ignition tumbler
-backup lights switch was bypassed due to not being able to get the OEM switch anymore.
-The TFI on the distributor changed
-Engine Coolant Sensor
-Throttle Air Bypass Solenoid
-TPS (Still working to adjust properly but running at .8V with higher idle than desired. Going to drill out TPS next to make it adjustable enough to have right volts and good idle. )
-Got refurbished computer. (I thought that was the issue and it ran great for a week. Better than before so may have been some issue there)\
-MAP Sensor replaced. (Helped for a couple of days)

Tests done that I think are of interest:
-Fuel pressure good per shops
-removed O2 sensor and drove to test if cat restricted
-timing checked and set a couple of times. (Distributor had been installed a tooth of and had to be moved)
-Removed battery cable/ power for a few minutes. Re-attach, and it will sit and warm up for ten minute and then you get about 60 seconds of pure perfect acceleration or regular driving and then you are violently back to limp mode. (This one leads me back to sensors and being outside of the computers acceptable program/chart)
-Removed different sensors and drove without them with Check engine light on: TPS; Temp sensor. etc. Seems to help at times but not others! Now not helping.

I am thinking I have some sensor intermittently sending bad news to the computer and it shuts off the ability to run. What sensor could it be???

HELP


Still To be done:
-The steering column could use some attention/rebuild etc. (Mention due to ignition is a little touchy in that you have to manually move it to the right spot by feel.)
-Springs and shocks could use a refresh
-ETC. ETC. ETC.........
 
#2 ·
Throttle position sensor not in spec isn't helping. Only sensor that will dork up what the computer is trying to do to run the truck.

Open both the original computer and your "referb" (that just means it was spray painted on the outside usually) to look for any burst and leaking capacitors. Re-solder in replacements yourself to be good to go.

Adrianspeeder
 
#3 · (Edited)
Yo Cjacobs_97,
Welcome to our Big Bronco DIY family!
As our USAF WARRIOR adrianspeeder advised!
Following from seedpress who had some first time capacitor replacement issues:
"I finally pulled the computer and, sure enough, two of the electrolytic capacitors had leaked. Not only were they shot, but the leaked electrolyte had begun corroding some pins on one of the semiconductors. The computer board is covered with a conformal coating to protect it against moisture and contamination, but the electrolyte had also seeped under or through that coating and discolored the board in places.

First I cut out all three of the electrolytic capacitors, although only two of the three had leaked. Then I tried to clean the spilled electrolyte. To remove the corrosive electrolyte I had to strip off the conformal coating where I saw board discoloration. I tried to clean the affected areas with rubbing alcohol, dilute acetone (used for finger nail polish remover), and WD-40. Also, one logic IC (integrated circuit) had three pins that were corroded by the electrolyte. I tried as best as I could to clean them mechanically.

The two leaking capacitors were 47uF 16V, and the third a 10uF 63 volt. I didn't have these values on hand, but coincidentally I had just bought a hundred 22uFs with a 63V working voltage. So by paralleling two of the 22s I was able to get 44uFs, and in series I got an 11 uf. Electrolytic caps have a wide tolerance range anyway, so I hoped that would be good enough. The one problem was all the original caps were 105 C temperature, whereas my replacements are only 85 C. But my computer is behind the driver's kick panel, instead of in the engine compartment. So, I am hoping it will work, at least for a while.

It was a pain to replace the caps! First, I found it difficult to solder the new, "paralleled" capacitors to the printed circuit board. Then, I wasn't sure how many layers the board had -- it's easy to overheat and ruin underlying layers. Finally, some of the copper pads to which the new caps were being soldered were also very close to fine-pitched copper traces. My finished "repair" is a real mess! But it seems to be working.

After all this, the pump is no longer latching up in the run position, and the engine starts. The Bronco hasn't been driven on the road yet. So, I guess I'll see how that goes soon. I am planning to get a replacement computer pretty soon, because I don't trust the old one, especially with my "iffy" repairs.

I'm not proud of my fix-it project, therefore I'll leave the finished product to your imagination; however, if you ever look inside your own EEC, you might want to know what leaking caps look like, so here's the “before” picture of my leaking caps:

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See these 1989 Ford Truck Service Manuals - Google Drive
Click Drive in pop-up
Also Includes:
1989 Ford Bronco Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual
1989 Bronco & Ford Truck Emissions Manual
1989 Ford Car/Truck Pre-Delivery Manual
Etc.
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Haynes Red Manual for 80-95 Bronco & F Series @ Hanes guide 80-96 bko f series.pdf found by member BroncMom!

See my mostly recovered site by member schwim @ Ford Bronco And F-150 Links - FORD BRONCO It contains boo-koo component repairs, installation & parts sources.

1989 Ford Bronco Dealer Brochure

1989 Bronco Lubricant Specifications by Ford via Gary

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#4 ·
Thanks AdrainSpeeder,
Just double-checked TPS voltage and it is at .8V. So that shouldn't be an issue currently.

I checked the original computer for capacitors. My version didn't have the normal round can ones and nothing seemed to be leaking. Haven't opened up the refurbished one to look. (Almost did but they security taped it supposedly to void the minimal warranty they offer if I opened it.

? Shouldn't the problem be more constant if it is a computer failure?
 
#5 ·
This seems to be a difficult problem to diagnose, it looks like either a sensor or computer issue with the EFI system. The problem is occurring both when the engine is hot and cold so that means sensors that are used when the engine is hot like O2 sensors should have no affect then. Mainly we're looking at a TSP, MAP or Engine temp sensor issue. That's the 3 I can think of that have a big impact on how the computer will adjust fuel. Backfire is a sign the engine is running rich but bogging could mean it doesn't have enough fuel.

Does this truck still have EGR? That not working properly could cause similar symptoms too.
 
#6 ·
This seems to be a difficult problem to diagnose, it looks like either a sensor or computer issue with the EFI system. The problem is occurring both when the engine is hot and cold so that means sensors that are used when the engine is hot like O2 sensors should have no affect then. Mainly we're looking at a TSP, MAP or Engine temp sensor issue. That's the 3 I can think of that have a big impact on how the computer will adjust fuel. Backfire is a sign the engine is running rich but bogging could mean it doesn't have enough fuel.

Does this truck still have EGR? That not working properly could cause similar symptoms too.
Yes it does have EGR. Is there a way
Yo Cjacobs_97,
Welcome to our Big Bronco DIY family!
As our USAF WARRIOR adrianspeeder advised!
Following from seedpress who had some first time capacitor replacement issues:
"I finally pulled the computer and, sure enough, two of the electrolytic capacitors had leaked. Not only were they shot, but the leaked electrolyte had begun corroding some pins on one of the semiconductors. The computer board is covered with a conformal coating to protect it against moisture and contamination, but the electrolyte had also seeped under or through that coating and discolored the board in places.

First I cut out all three of the electrolytic capacitors, although only two of the three had leaked. Then I tried to clean the spilled electrolyte. To remove the corrosive electrolyte I had to strip off the conformal coating where I saw board discoloration. I tried to clean the affected areas with rubbing alcohol, dilute acetone (used for finger nail polish remover), and WD-40. Also, one logic IC (integrated circuit) had three pins that were corroded by the electrolyte. I tried as best as I could to clean them mechanically.

The two leaking capacitors were 47uF 16V, and the third a 10uF 63 volt. I didn't have these values on hand, but coincidentally I had just bought a hundred 22uFs with a 63V working voltage. So by paralleling two of the 22s I was able to get 44uFs, and in series I got an 11 uf. Electrolytic caps have a wide tolerance range anyway, so I hoped that would be good enough. The one problem was all the original caps were 105 C temperature, whereas my replacements are only 85 C. But my computer is behind the driver's kick panel, instead of in the engine compartment. So, I am hoping it will work, at least for a while.

It was a pain to replace the caps! First, I found it difficult to solder the new, "paralleled" capacitors to the printed circuit board. Then, I wasn't sure how many layers the board had -- it's easy to overheat and ruin underlying layers. Finally, some of the copper pads to which the new caps were being soldered were also very close to fine-pitched copper traces. My finished "repair" is a real mess! But it seems to be working.

After all this, the pump is no longer latching up in the run position, and the engine starts. The Bronco hasn't been driven on the road yet. So, I guess I'll see how that goes soon. I am planning to get a replacement computer pretty soon, because I don't trust the old one, especially with my "iffy" repairs.

I'm not proud of my fix-it project, therefore I'll leave the finished product to your imagination; however, if you ever look inside your own EEC, you might want to know what leaking caps look like, so here's the “before” picture of my leaking caps:

View attachment 193930
â—Ź
See these 1989 Ford Truck Service Manuals - Google Drive
Click Drive in pop-up
Also Includes:
1989 Ford Bronco Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual
1989 Bronco & Ford Truck Emissions Manual
1989 Ford Car/Truck Pre-Delivery Manual
And;
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â—Ź
Haynes Red Manual for 80-95 Bronco & F Series @ Hanes guide 80-96 bko f series.pdf found by member BroncMom!

See my mostly recovered site by member schwim @ Ford Bronco And F-150 Links - FORD BRONCO It contains boo-koo component repairs, installation & parts sources.

1989 Ford Bronco Dealer Brochure

1989 Bronco Lubricant Specifications by Ford via Gary

For any Bronco questions, it's better to post each seperately in Noobie Bronco Tech Questions. Flame free zone. This will get more attention and you can build up your post count to get into other sections such as Bronco and Ford Parts/Accessories (50 posts required to participate due to scammers who preyed on our members).

Forum FAQs includes for example, Hot to Use Search. How To Save (Bookmark) Threads Or Posts, How To Upload Images To Posts and more tips!

➡ Baba Looey's Favorite FSB Links (lots and lots of tech links) includes such as, How do I fix my back window?

Please find time to participate and Vote in our next Full-Size Bronco of the Month Contest and later in the year, Full-Size of the Year Contest @ Voting
You will get ideas by those competing.
Prizes are awarded to Winner!; a full spread in Bronco Driver Magazine is the top prize, in addition to a years subscription, once the article is submitted; also, a years worth of premium FSB membership.
Al
Thanks.
The two links for the two manuals are screen shots. Can I get an actual downloadable copy of these two?
1989 Ford Bronco Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual
1989 Bronco & Ford Truck Emissions Manual
 
#12 ·
Okay, I've had a similar experience awhile back and I've included the thread below. In my case it was an electrical issue. About 12 inches past the ICM plug there is a 3 way splice that Ford put in there to transmit the tach signal. That splice had broken down on me. Had to cut open the bundle, find the splice, solder, tape, good to go.

 
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#16 ·
Back Firing, my first thought was valves.
How to test valves with a vacuum gauge

But then looking through your thread, I didn't see a mention of pulling diagnostic trouble codes.
If you didn't pull codes, then I strongly suggest that you do so.
Here's a link to a how to:
 

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