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96 Bronco 4bt Cummins

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Are you sure you have 4BT engine? There's no glow plug in 4BT. The only electrical wiring on that engine is the fuel solenoid. I have 4BT P7100 from 1998 in my BKO and there is no glow plug. Did they even make 4BTs in 2004? Maybe it was recon in 2004. Anyway, post your progress/pictures. Let me know if you have any question, I'm almost done with my swap. Thank you @LVSteve for showing me this tread. Milan
 
Do I understand it correctly that you have a shop to do all that work for you and you just supply parts and money? If true, have the shop done this conversion before? Since this tread started with cluster swap question, How you are going to resolve Tachometer? You obviously know about these guys right? https://www.dieselconversion.com/getting-started (I'm not associate with them in any way). Layout your plan here and we can go over it in detail - if you want. I'll gladly answer any question you may have (if I know the answer of course). Milan
 
Have you already bought all that's on the list?
Few questions -
1. What fuel plate you plan to use?
2. Are you replacing stock head bolts with ARP? (Have not seen this listed.)
3. What turbo size you are going to use?
4. Why you have external oil filter for?
5. Why do you have that in cabin fuel regulator?
6. What lift pump you put in?
7. What additional gauges you going to have? (ETG, Boost, Dual intake temp, Fuel pressure, tranny temp)
8. What is your tranny? Is it E4OD that was in your BKO and you just got it beefed up?
9. That labor cost is that to pay the shop to do entire conversion?
10. Why you bought new fuel tank for? old works just fine if cleaned (unless your is rusted.)
11. What size of fuel lines you running?
12. The intercooler..? There's more effective and lot cheaper way.
That vacuum/power steering pump combo is from 6BT. It is not going to fit under your P pump. You need to use external canister in order to fit.
Milan
 
Seems like you already bought most of what’s on your list. So for all these items there’s no need to go over it and discuss the importance or need (to have it installed). Let’s focus on items from your list you don’t have yet.
  • ARP head studs – since your plan is to reach 200hp, these are pretty much mandatory.
  • Even though you already have turbo, is it stock or is it bigger one like 44mm? If you want to get 200hp you need super turbo or 44mm.
  • Fuel pump is usually inside the gas tank. 4BT has lift pump. It is recommended to get one that generates higher pressure then stock one.
  • Intercooler – seems like you have not bought it yet. If you can - cancel the order. Go to www.frozenboost.com and buy their 600HP kit. Select Bosh pump and type 118 radiator. Their system is far less expensive and much more efficient and power full then air to air system you are buying. The installation is NOT bolt on, but once done it allows you to manage the system based on ambient temp especially if you decide to monitor intake temp before and after turbo.
  • Vacuum system – the vacuum/power steering pump combo from 6BT with external reservoir is preferred way. You need vacuum not only for your brakes since you decide to stay with stock vacuum brakes but also for heating & A/C that is operated based on vacuum system.
BTW the pictures you posted – for some reason they don’t show.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Milan
 
Hello,

  1. Turbo - you need bigger one then stock HX30. Get super turbo or 44mm. 44mm is the size of turbine.
  2. Stock fuel pump on Bronco that is in your fuel tank now is useless and needs to be removed. The lift pump on 4BT needs to be able to create higher fuel pressure than stock pump. The entire fuel delivery system is very sensitive. Absolutely no leaks. If both lines are not adequate engine starve and will not run good. I had to install fuel sump at the bottom of the tank with check valve in order to make it work. The lift pump could not ‘suck” the fuel from top of the tank. After manually sucking it up the engine eventually started but after shutting it off the fuel dropped back into the tank and could not start again. That’s why the check valve was installed at the tank to hold the fuel in line. Spent several weekends trying to figure it out with all different options.
  3. Aftercooler – It can be added at later stage once you have all other parts working. Water to air is superior option to air to air system with added flexibility to change the water flow and/or speed of fans on radiator to further improve the effectiveness in relation to ambient temperature. For example - if you drive in cold weather there’s no need to have that system to run on 100% compare to say driving in dead heat summer in AZ with ambient temp well over 100F. With air to air system, there’s no maintenance needed, but there’s nothing that can be done to adjust its effectiveness on the fly.
  4. Power steering 6BT combo – yes the reservoir gets in the way of the P pump. Solution is to get external reservoir from GM Astro minivan and replace the reservoir on the pump with the one that is designed for external one. However there are successful write-ups on 4BTSwaps where the filler neck of stock 6BT pump was saw-off and re-welded back on an angle that clears the bottom of the pump. However with external reservoir it can be mounted anywhere (kind of) for better access to fill it up. With reservoir on the pump it will be buried pretty low underneath your accelerator cable and hard to reach.
Let me know if you have more questions. Milan
 
  1. I amend my statement, I have an HX30W. I'm not sure if that makes a difference. I don't have enough in the budget for a bigger turbo at the moment, but I'll put it on the list of things to do in the near future.
  2. I'm looking now at lift pumps, and I'm thinking I might go with this [link]. Any thoughts? I'd prefer mechanical over electric, but it doesn't seem like there are any mechanical options out there.
  3. I do like the idea of this. The intercooler is on the way, though, and I'm a bit wary of extra electrical systems. I think this'll be another thing to go on the near future list.
  4. I ended up going with a PSC power steering and remote reservoir kit [link] to avoid the having to cut and turn the fill neck on the can. Hopefully this will help avoid needing to do that.
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Hello,

1. Turbo - in order to achieve 200HP + bigger turbo is a must. There's no way around.
2. Lift pump - even though electrical pumps are very attractive solution they are also expensive and their reliability is questionable. Just read some review to see for yourself. Usually they failed in the most unwanted situation leaving the driver stranded. Something that can be avoided by simply stick with mechanical pump. Here's the recommendation for reputable very good mechanical pump (I'm not associated with the seller in any way). I bought this pump from him and works flawlessly.
3. Power steering - The option you selected is very good and will work just fine. However there's far less expensive option available that will be equally good, unless you want to build fancy shiny show car to show it off. As mentioned before, Chevy Astro van reservoir from junk yard is $10. Brand new one from RockAuto is $35. The pump itself from RockAuto between $68-148 incl. core charge. You do not plan to run hydroboost so stock configuration will work just fine. Looks like you already bought PSC set, no need to expand on it.
This is just an observation and nothing else – You are spending a lot of money on items like PSC power steering pump, or the fuel regulator or fuel pump that are either not necessary or there’s less expensive solution that achieve the same or even better results. It’s your budget and your way of doing the swap. It is labor extensive job and the final cost just for the labor could be pretty high, unless you have some special arrangements (with the shop). It would be disappointing to see you have to put the project on hold because you exceeded your budget. This is in no way any criticism. I’m just trying to help.
BTW what’s your plan for gear ratio change?

Let me know if you have any questions. Milan

P.S. as mentioned before – I cannot see any of your pictures on Chrome browser on desktop PC.
 
Generally 4BT does not get very hot by design. Since you don't plan to boost 4BT (bigger turbo etc.), stock Bronco or F150 radiator is sufficient enough to cool that engine even in hot climate. The only recommendation would be to get rid of 4BT stock mechanical fan and replace it with el. fan for the case if you tow some heavy trailer uphill in hot climate. Recommended el. fan would be from Ford 500 or similar. Junk yards are full of these very powerful dual fans, but it would not be bolt on. That would be the only thing needed. Bigger radiator is unnecessary overkill. Milan
 
ARP - to machine the pedestal as described in the installation manual is all that's needed. As for undercoat - POR15 is one of the best options available. Not knowing any details about the shop (where they do the conversion) you would be fortunate to have them finish everything and drive your truck away in such a short time. Hopefully it will happen as you planned, but if not - don't be surprised. It's labor extensive process and especially for somebody (your shop) who has not done it before, even with all parts on hand it may take some time to have it road worthy. Milan
 
Generally (not just for this build) it's interesting to see how much effort and time is spent on making the engine looks shiny - new look alike, with all that layers of paint etc.., just to see all that goes down to waste when in short period of time all that paint gets covered with oil, grease and gunk or burn right off (especially the paint on the cylinder head). Unless it's SEMA type of show truck.
Anyway, reading your updated project plan, one thing you may want to reconsider is the leave stock driveshafts in. It has been well documented on numerous similar builds that 4BT eats stock driveshafts "for breakfast". It's not a matter if it happens it's when and where and in most cases there's additional damage associated with it (when it happens). One thing is important to realize - 4BT is upgrade (from stock engine). More weight, more torque etc... All other related components needs to be upgraded as well - driveshaft, suspension, axle, transfer case, transmission etc, otherwise it's going to fail. It's just a suggestion. Milan
 
Also... how you plan to resolve crankshaft breather? Have not seen it on you parts list. You can always have a hose dangling down, but then you'll get oil stains on your driveway.
As for dual battery - great idea - What battery you plan to use and what isolator (if any)? Do you plan for master shutoff switch as well? If you decide to go with Odyssey PC1750 (highly recommended) - Ballistic Fabrication makes direct fit box for these. Also you should consider to upgrade battery cables incl. ground wires. (Did not see that in your parts list). Milan
 
Twisted driveshaft has very little to do with horse power. Torque is the killer and in case of 4BT, that's what you are getting more of, compare to 351W.
Crankshaft breather - besides dangling hose there are 2 options - buy a kit or make it yourself. In your case - the shop. There are few kits available and depends on your setup, you'll need to figure out which one will fit or how much you are willing to spend on it. This kit would be perfect if you don't mind the cost or this one. Otherwise this would do the same job and only requires a bracket to attach it (to somewhere) and few feet of heater hose all for fraction of the cost of the 1st kit.
Batteries - If you decide to go with Optima (not recommended), there are plenty of brackets available from different manufacturers. Milan
 
You research, you plan, you prepare, stock up parts and then something unexpected comes up and the whole timeline falls apart. Isn't it always like that - with everything else in life? On 4BTswaps forum on my write-up at the begging, somebody said that 4BT conversion to FSB can be done over one weekend, if you know what you doing and have all parts. Yeah right! Hopefully this was the last hiccup in your conversion and everything else will go smooth from now on. Sorry to hear that this spoiled your Christmas plan.

Looking closely on your pictures above, these engine mounts - they seems to stretch far out. It almost looks like that they are too long and could be hitting the frame. Did you or anybody in the shop did measure it or was a dry fit already done, to see what mods would need to be done on the frame or cross member? There isn't a lot of room to play with. Also considering the weight of the engine these brackets seems to be not strong enough - meaning there isn't enough support for the part that stretches out to the end where there is "just" flat stock with no support. IDN. Maybe I'm just not seeing it right... Hopefully these mounts have been in production (where ever you bought them from) for long time and are being used on other build for some time. The mounts I'm using are very short, close to the engine just enough to have a space for liquid filled motor mounts or these. Anyway, hopefully it will all work out just right.
 
It does not seems like a lot is left to do, but this is all before the engine gets fired up. Just hope it will all go smooth and there won't be any delays with some after the fact adjustments or fixes. Saying that because I had my truck up and running, and it died on my in the middle of the road. Had to tow it. Just when you start driving it - then - you'll see if there's anything else that needs to be done. Milan
 
Once your conversion is done and your BKO is up and running - I'll submit you for FOTM. It will be pretty interesting reading. Your expectations (how quickly and cheaply this can be done). All the drama with shop. All the online searches you did, gathering parts, costs etc... Your detailed write up incl. cost is useful for other to see what's involved. Comparing your conversion with the pathetic efforts of some folks posting in FOTM - you should easily win. Given you posted with the same writing style and tons of pictures. It would be small retribution for all the headaches you are going through right now. Milan