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Discussion starter · #161 ·
Started putting down MLV and CCF on the passenger side quarter and wheel well.
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Replacing the 6 rear seat bolts with grade 8 stainless.
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Drilled through the sound deadening to place the bolts. Also put up more HMF. Half of them won't thread and I'm not sure why.
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Foam on the rear speakers disintegrated, so I replaced it with CCF. Drilled through the deadening so I can secure the speaker in it's place as well.
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Passenger side is complete. Time for new flooring and putting the trim back on.
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Passenger side wheel well vinyl placed. Might need to heatgun it to get it to lay out flat.
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Discussion starter · #162 ·
I got a little more done over the last couple of days, finishing up the sound deadening for the cargo area. I thought this space would be easiest but I think it was probably way harder than the cabin area is going to be.

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I started applying the new vinyl flooring I purchased from Bronco Graveyard (been sitting in the garage for over a year). The old beige carpeting was trashed. I kept the tailgate carpet, though, to match the trim around the sides and because the new flooring kit didn't come with a tailgate piece. Be aware of that if you buy from JBG. The gaps for the wheel wells in the bottom flooring are much bigger than the wheel wells. Hopefully the excess for the wheel wells will fill the gaps without looking too bad. Still gotta cut out the center where the rear seat locks in, and drill holes for the seat and seatbelt mounts. I used the heat gun to get the wrinkles out and, believe it or not, this looks way better than when I initially put it in. It's going to need a lot more massaging to get it flat before I start drilling and reinstalling things.
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Discussion starter · #163 · (Edited)
I've been doing work for most of the last 7 days, 8-12 hours each day, to get this stuff done before I go back to work tomorrow. Way more work than I anticipated. That was more exercise than I've had in probably 2 years! Anyway, here's what we have:

I started applying the new vinyl flooring I purchased from Bronco Graveyard (been sitting in the garage for over a year). The old beige carpeting was trashed. I kept the tailgate carpet, though, to match the trim around the sides and because the new flooring kit didn't come with a tailgate piece. Be aware of that if you buy from JBG. The gaps for the wheel wells in the bottom flooring are much bigger than the wheel wells. Hopefully the excess for the wheel wells will fill the gaps without looking too bad. Still gotta cut out the center where the rear seat locks in, and drill holes for the seat and seatbelt mounts. I used the heat gun to get the wrinkles out and, believe it or not, this looks way better than when I initially put it in. It's going to need a lot more massaging to get it flat before I start drilling and reinstalling things.
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Started laying CCF and MLV in the cabin area.
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Needed heavy boxes to keep the MLV down on the bit that attached the cargo area to the cabin area while the vinyl cement set.
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Used industrial velcro to keep the MLV tight to the dropoff from the cargo area and help keep the flooring from coming up for whatever reason.
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Much easier to drill holes and cut holes through the CCF and vinyl one layer at a time, rather than both at the same time. Also contouring around bends sucks.
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More CCF down for the rest of the floor in the cabin.
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Putting MLV on this one elevated place under the center console took forever. Lots of cutting, cementing, and force and pressure to keep the MLV down while it set.
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These instructions are bull. I did this and it still doesn't form correctly. Heat gun was the only way for me and even that doesn't work completely, maybe 80% if you have something heavy you can put on the vinyl to make it stay in a shape you want while it cools.
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Finally finished the transmission hump. Lot's of velcro used here to keep the contours over the odd shapes.
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I had excess CCF, so I put it over the top of the sound deadening vinyl, and under the flooring vinyl to add some softness to the cargo area and prevent any rubbing or rattling noises between the vinyl layers.
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Starting to reinstall some trim. I had to install and uninstall several times to perfect where to trim the flooring so everything would fit okay. One specific example is the HMF white foam got in the way of the rear cup holders in these cargo side panels. I had to cut away a section to allow these to close. Even then, just the MLV and CCF made it a little tough to close them. The backs of these cargo side panels have padding. I had to cut away the section behind the pocket and use high-strength spray cement to hold the rest of the padding in place. Leaving the padding on the back of the pocket caused the panel to bulge a lot, that's why I had to remove it.
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Padding removed from behind the pocket on the side panel.
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Also reinstalled the mounts for the rear seat amongst this disaster of tools and things.
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Padding came with the cabin flooring, so I positioned and trimmed it as necessary and used the 3m Hi-Strength 90 spray cement.
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The front flooring required a massive amount of trimming, refuses to let me get the creases and things out, and has contours built-in in the wrong places, particularly in the center console area. Because of this, the front floor looks like shit.
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Preview of my struggles getting the F250 reupholstered 40/20/40 seats and seatbelts in. I gave up for the night to finish it in the morning.
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Lastly, I also tightened up the strikers on both doors to see if that would help my water-pooling-on-the-floorboard issue, and it did! The last rain (a couple of days ago) and I had zero water on the floor. Huzzah!
 
Discussion starter · #164 · (Edited)
After a metric F***load of finagling and forcing, I was able to get the seats to bolt up without drilling or bending. It looks really good to me. The terracotta vinyl on the black flooring with the medium mocha interior isn't as contrasting as I thought it might end up being, which I like. Added benefit: the new seats cover up most of the bad parts of the floor. Also, they sit a bit higher than the captain chairs, which I love. They feel more comfortable to me.

I still have more heatgun treatments to do on the floor, more trimming to do, and some more trim to sound-deaden and install, but it's drivable and probably 80% done now. I haven't done the door panels at all as I'm waiting for more materials to do it, but damn is it quiet!

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Additionally, I took a preliminary sound measurement. Here's a sneak peak at some of my data:

Pre Sound Deadening (Gas Engine) in Decibels (dB) - 77°F, wind < 5mph
Engine OffIdle30 MPH50 MPH70 MPH
4758707479
41.156.669.773.477.5
43.55870.273.579.4

Pre Sound Deadening (Diesel Engine) in Decibels (dB) - 80°F, wind < 5mph
Engine OffIdle30 MPH50 MPH70 MPH
3981858788
3585848687
3283848587

Post sound-deadening with a diesel engine today (I didn't get temp or wind, just a quick reading out of curiosity), I had 28dB with the engine off. It seems small, but 10dB I understand to be the difference between a whisper and a yell, so this is pretty significant to me. Additionally, I haven't done the door panels and some of the trim still needs sound-deadened and reinstalled, so I have many places for sound leaks. It's made a MASSIVE difference in my opinion, especially since I've eliminated all squeaks and rattles except in the door panels.
 
Discussion starter · #167 ·
@milan65 Hooooo boy. I'm really sorry it's been so long. SO many things have happened, not necessarily with the Bronco, over the last several months.

I do still have it, and as soon as it was wrapped up in early December I road tripped it over 7k miles across the country and back, a little over half of it towing a trailer. I finished sound deadening the doors and put in a double din stereo as the final touches before this road trip. I also finished programming the transmission while on the trip to optimize the shift points for how I drive.

This. Thing. Is. Badass.

Shortly after I got it back though, my AC (one of the AC lines anyway) literally exploded. Turns out the fans attached to the radiator fell off at some point and on a warmer day, the condensor wasn't getting cooled. Too much pressure and a line popped. Was much scarier sounding and smelling in the middle of it than it actually was. So we fabbed up custom shrouds and reattached the fans. The plastic mounts that pass through the radiator and sort of clamp the fans to the radiator failed, all of them. That shouldn't happen again, so now I have AC again and I drive it all the time. But because of that incident, I did get a newer f150 to daily because I had a lot going on in life and couldn't be down my only vehicle at the time haha.

Other than that, Zero issues. Actually Zero. It's crazy. It's actually every bit as durable and awesome as I wanted it to be after thorough testing. I did some minor stuff, oil change and alignment since the extra weight had her toeing out a little, and that's it. Drives like a dream. I couldn't be happier with the outcome. Now to save up for a lift and stuff. And since I'm out of money, I can spend some time organizing the pile of documentation I have into some semblance of readable material and put that up into the OP, since that's not finished yet!

Let me tell you though, I'm regretting having cancelled my first edition reservation for the 2021 Bronco. I'm considering getting a Wildtrak. But if I did, there's no reason to keep my current Bronco. No idea what it's worth, I'd probably only consider getting the new one if I got a nice offer for my current. But it's a thought in the back of my mind for sure.
 
Hi, Glad you are all okay. It's great that you are happy with your BKO. That's why you did all that. Fantastic that it is holding up great. These plastic tie downs that holds fans through radiator is a joke. How that can be even allowed to use? You put on many miles. That's great! Do you have any issue with black smoke coming out of your exhaust? There's a new thread in here about increasing number of offers to buy FSBs. Happened to me too 2x recently. Random guys came over wanna buy it. I would never do that. The new Broncos are great machines. Beat Jeeps any time. The BKO you have now is one of the kind. You'll never have it again. If you decide to sell it, you will regret it. It's unique truck. Whichever way you decide to go - good luck! Milan
 
Discussion starter · #169 ·
Thanks again @milan65 you've been a great help and motivator. I'll post up the data on my road trips' mpg and some final stuff on the sound deadening now that it's complete a bit later on. I think I'll be keeping it for now. All the new tech and stuff in the brand new Broncos may need to get ironed out first haha.

I don't have any issues with black smoke. I was worried that I would, but I installed a mechanical tuner from Power Driven Diesel called AFC Live which allows me to adjust fuel/air on the fly. It's pretty slick honestly. There's a Wide Open switch that does max of both and when I flip that, then I start blowing some smoke when I lay into it. But otherwise, I run it pretty minimal because it produces plenty of power without being Wide Open.

I haven't personally had anyone ask to buy my Bronco yet, but I get quite a few that compliment or wave or thumbs up!
 
Hi, How are you liking this? I am debating between this swap almost exactly or doing the newer r2.8 with a 6R80 trans.

Any issues so far? How is the drivability? Is the vibration and noise bad? How is the E4OD holding up?
 
Discussion starter · #172 ·
Holy cow my data is a mess. I have the data some place, but life has been a bit psychotic lately. I will get that sorted and post the updates on the trip I took @milan65 !

@lhaskins123 I'm loving it actually. I feel bad for the neighbors, given I live in a neighborhood of townhouses, that the engine and exhaust is so loud they probably all hate me.
I have had a few small issues. The electric fans were configured to come on when the engine got hot, but not when the AC was on. During this last summer too much pressure built up as the refrigerant got too hot and blew a hose. Easy fix, and refill, and configured the fans to turn on when the AC is on or when the engine gets hot enough. I've also developed a small oil leak, I haven't looked into that just yet. The noise isn't too bad from inside since I did the sound deadening. Without it, though, I think it would be pretty intolerable. If you don't do a huge exhaust pipe like I did, it is probably tolerable as most of it I think is exhaust drone. The turbo is pretty dang loud, but I like listening to it haha. Vibration also isn't bad except when it's really cold, even if I had the block heater on. Once it warms up it completely smooths out. Before that, you don't get a lot of seat vibration but the dash (if anything is loose in it, like loose change in the ash tray) does vibrate enough to make noise sometimes (rarely, only when really cold). E4OD is doing just fine, and I'm not really all that gentle with it. I would have to stress that I had it rebuilt with the 4r100 steel internals, though, so that it could withstand the punishment. It's definitely putting down a ton of torque. Not winning any races though haha. The Bronco also handles just like it did before the swap. She squats a little in the front, but not terribly at all. I'm glad I kept the sway bar up front. I cruise comfortably at 75mph without the engine sounding like it's overrevving and working really hard.
 
Holy cow my data is a mess. I have the data some place, but life has been a bit psychotic lately. I will get that sorted and post the updates on the trip I took @milan65 !

@lhaskins123 I'm loving it actually. I feel bad for the neighbors, given I live in a neighborhood of townhouses, that the engine and exhaust is so loud they probably all hate me.
I have had a few small issues. The electric fans were configured to come on when the engine got hot, but not when the AC was on. During this last summer too much pressure built up as the refrigerant got too hot and blew a hose. Easy fix, and refill, and configured the fans to turn on when the AC is on or when the engine gets hot enough. I've also developed a small oil leak, I haven't looked into that just yet. The noise isn't too bad from inside since I did the sound deadening. Without it, though, I think it would be pretty intolerable. If you don't do a huge exhaust pipe like I did, it is probably tolerable as most of it I think is exhaust drone. The turbo is pretty dang loud, but I like listening to it haha. Vibration also isn't bad except when it's really cold, even if I had the block heater on. Once it warms up it completely smooths out. Before that, you don't get a lot of seat vibration but the dash (if anything is loose in it, like loose change in the ash tray) does vibrate enough to make noise sometimes (rarely, only when really cold). E4OD is doing just fine, and I'm not really all that gentle with it. I would have to stress that I had it rebuilt with the 4r100 steel internals, though, so that it could withstand the punishment. It's definitely putting down a ton of torque. Not winning any races though haha. The Bronco also handles just like it did before the swap. She squats a little in the front, but not terribly at all. I'm glad I kept the sway bar up front. I cruise comfortably at 75mph without the engine sounding like it's overrevving and working really hard.

I appreciate the reply. I am incredibly torn ... either doing a similar build as you did with a 4bt and rebuild on my E4OD or going with a R2.8 and a 6R80 trans. my goal is 200hp 400lbs. very possible with either option just looking for reliability for some high milage road trips / overlanding i have planned in late 2023.

Again, I appreciate you taking the time to reply. Awesome build!
 
Discussion starter · #175 ·
How's your BKO holding up? Any issues? How many miles you put on already?
It's been holding up great! Small things here and there to get fixed like fans coming on too early so it had trouble warming up, small coolant leak in a cheeky place that was an easy fix, things like that. It's mechanically impeccable now! I've put almost 20k on the new drivetrain. I still have all the numbers I promised forever ago regarding mpg and sound measurements somewhere, I have to find them and post them up.

All that being said, it's in a fantastic place. But I did end up getting an f150 so I'm toying with the idea of letting someone else enjoy this build now. Mechanically it's perfect and I've had zero issues. It needs a little body work as rust is starting to show in the rear quarters. Life for me has changed so much recently that keeping it isn't making as much sense anymore unfortunately. 😬
 
Discussion starter · #179 · (Edited)
How much you gonna ask for it? Man I wish i would have known, Im in the middle of doing my swap and upgrade. Would have saved me a lot of headache LOL.
Lol it is a hell of a process, but for me I was proud and excited to have the payoff of all the work.

I'm listing it for $30k on Facebook right now, trying to get it put out in more places for visibility. Still putting together all the receipts for parts but labor alone at the shop was ~$17k.
 
Discussion starter · #180 · (Edited)
Okay, it's been WAY too long since an actual update on the Bronco from all the work. So here's the mileage numbers from the cross-country trip I took in the Bronco right after the swap was complete. Literally. Like a week or two after I picked it up I just hit the road. It was nuts, probably not a great idea, but everything worked out even though my first day of driving I immediately headed out into a snow storm no one was ready for. Roads weren't plowed. I couldn't even tell if I was still on the road, I was just trying to stick with the semi in front of me for the whole thing haha. Anyway, to the numbers for those data-driven folks like myself.

Christmas Trip 2019

Miles on tripMiles on tankMPGNotes
1131.80n/aNo tuning done, basically as lean air/fuel as it could get. Just me, the dog, and some luggage.
1455.5323.722.2Very cold, lots of snow, 50-65 mph
1796.6341.121.5Lots of snow, pretty flat, 60-65 mph
2186.639020.81
2626.1439.521.6
2776.3150.219.04
3028.6252.318.1970-80mph, lots of hills, still untuned
3288.5259.919.5775 mph constant, started tuning, still very lean
3593.6305.119.5375 mph constant, lots of hills, slightly less lean tune
4073.5479.9unkAt my destination, just daily driving, didn't calculate mpg during stay
4355.3281.817.85Towing 6x12 double axle trailer with items ~2500 lbs total. Max air/fuel "power mode" 70-75 mph
4645.8290.515.52Still towing, and will be until the end of the trip
4708.562.7unkDon't remember why I filled up after so short, probably approaching longer between stations
4994.4285.916.98
5251.2256.819.14
5600.5349.316.1770-75 mph through LOTS of steep hills, still towing
5995.0394.517.9865-70 mph
6377.4382.416.9470-75 mph
6840.9463.517.9765-70 mph
7094.8253.916.1750-65mph, lots of hills again, still towing this trip but returned trailer at the end
7546.3451.520.5Not max lean air/fuel but tuned down for eco, 70mph to Jersey and back, unencumbered
7973.9427.619.5Max air/fuel "power mode" around town, not as much freeway driving, unencumbered, heavy foot

Pretty much the entire trip was at or below freezing, lot's of snow, but mostly cleared roads.

Over the last couple of years, now that I don't put my foot into it as often eating more giggle juice to see how many smiles per gallon I can get, I'm getting on average 21-22 mpg around town. I don't keep it in "power mode" anymore, which is a toggle switch on the side of the tuner that, when flipped, just stops limiting air and fuel. I mostly keep it in eco mode which is just the mode it's in when the "power mode" fun switch isn't flipped on the tuner. I call it eco because no matter what you do, you won't be blowing black smoke when you romp on it.

Boost in eco averages around 7-14 psi around town and on the freeway, and in power mode I've bounced the needle off 28 psi before. That was going up a really steep hill (mountain, really), towing, and doing ~65mph, and really putting my foot in it so I can accelerate around some folks. At that point, just to see, I maintained that for a short stint but the EGT really climbs when you're doing that and I took my foot off it after ~1300 degrees. Never been close to that EGT again since then. My EGT sensor is located right after the turbo so I'm catching the temp right as exhaust is leaving the turbo.
 
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