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What's the idle RPM when the engine vibrates like that? If it is between 750-900 the engine does vibrate a lot and there's not much that can be done about it other then increase the idle RPM to close to 1k. It's one of the few drawbacks of 4BT (compare to 6BT). Steering wheel shake however - could be something else. No matter how much the engine vibrates steering wheel should not be effected by that. It could be something as easy as having loose bolts on steering column under the dash. Other then chasing the source of the issue, it's hard to say. Milan
 
Discussion starter · #125 ·
@milan65 I'm not sure what the idle is just yet as the tach wasn't functioning at this startup. They were working through it when I visited on Monday though. I will check in with them today. I did order an F250 diesel fuel neck from LMC truck and that fitted up, no enlargement necessary. Now that I think about it, it is odd that the steering wheel would get so much. I'll definitely check to make sure the column is properly secured, thanks for the tip!

@cjwchoppers Thanks for the heads up, I'll give this a shot too
 
Discussion starter · #127 ·
We had a hard stop on something I never expected to have a problem with... it was the bolt-on solution from DCS for the tachometer. We couldn't get the tach to work even though the lines tested good, the tach was good, and the sensor appeared good. We were told the recommended gap was .02, and after way too much testing and a few too many days, I asked the shop to try a smaller gap. At .012, the tach lives!

@milan65 Now that the tach works, we got an eye on the idle and it's idling at ~500rpm. We are going to try 850-900 and see how that goes. DCS configures their trucks to be about 800.

Here is the final placement of the TPS sensor setup in place of the factory airbox. This is from TCI Automotive and is for a 4L60E/4L80E (chevy trans) remote TPS kit.
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The transmission controller is mounted with a bracket that mounts to the OBDII port location. Very clean solution.
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Here is a mock-up of the titanium intake.
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And the sway bar mounts are getting extended to clear the diesel core support. Passenger side is the top picture and driver side is the bottom.
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Discussion starter · #128 · (Edited)
The Bronco is finally ready for road testing. We will start that on Monday. Outside of that the only thing left is an AC hose that we are waiting to arrive on Monday, and a couple of decals for the windows. Now we can get to tuning the engine with the AFC live tuner, get the idle adjusted properly, and program the transmission.

The sway bar drop brackets are gussetted and the sway bar is bolted up.
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Intake is welded up and fits perfectly. Looks like it touches the radiator but it doesn't. Intake is additionally mounted to the top of the AC bracket from DCS. The bracket was drilled and tapped and the intake bolted to it. Also I said before it's titanium, but it isn't. It's aluminum.
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Aluminum upper and lower lines were welded up for the cooling as well with a fill neck and a drain plug respectively.
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Discussion starter · #129 ·
Another small update: everything but the exhaust tip is together. It had a weak in the rear main seal (brand new seal, all the seals and gaskets in the engine are brand new). The AC system is holding pressure, but the compressor wasn't engaging. The idle was turned up to 800 which cut down on the vibrational lot. it goes into gear a little bit hard, but used to always do that so I'm not too concerned.

After replacing the 15 amp fuse for the AC with a 30 amp fuse, the AC now engages. I find that a bit odd, and I'm not sure if I'm comfortable with that solution. The fuse is there to protect the wiring, so if the wiring is not rated for that kind of current, I don't want to have an electrical fire. Any suggestions?

After a 50 mile road test, the rear main seems to not be leaking. Possibly the heating up of the engine cause the seal to sit better? I'm not sure. However, a couple new problems cropped up. The brand new power steering unit failed, the transmission is overheating, and the tachometer solution from DCS also failed. Still trying to track down why the tachometer power steering solutions failed. Also not sure why the transmission is overheating as we overbuilt it to not overheat. The deeper pan with extra transmission fluid, and it's hooked up to the auxiliary cooling on the mishimoto radiator. All this is as of yesterday though, so still looking into causes.
 
What exactly failed on P/S? Do you have enough vacuum generated for it to run? DCS - no comment on that. You probably already called them for help. Tranny overheat could be serious issue, since automatics are very sensitive to heat. With any extra load on it - like towing or uphill climb it will get worse. Maybe the rebuild was not done right and something is blocking the fluid flow. Does the exhaust pipe goes close to tranny and heating it up? AC- fuse - it is odd. But it's not to be concern with electrical fire. Milan
 
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It looks like I do have enough vacuum. The pump is suddenly no longer generating pressure, so I'm trying to get it warranty replaced now. As for the transmission, the shop believes the tachometer sensor solution is the issue. The tranny controller uses the input from the crank sensor to determine shift points, but the crank sensor isn't giving a consistent signal. They think that was causing the transmission to heat up much faster. It is surprising though, because it was rebuilt with steel internals, has a deeper pan, and I never had an overheating issue prior. I hope it isn't fluid blockage. That's something I'll ask about though. I'll check about the exhaust pipe too, that's something I hadn't thought of.

Are you saying the 30 amp fuse I shouldn't worry about? Can you explain to me like I'm 10? Haha because I'm still worried
 
Hopefully your shop will figure it out soon the tranny issue. As for the 30A fuse. Wires in car are designed to withstand more amps then what's normal flow. There's always a reserve. 10A difference is no that much. It would have to take considerable more power draw to melt wire insulation or the wire itself. But if that does not comfort you enough, then just identify the wire(s) and replace it with thicker one. Milan
 
On the fuse issue, I would try another of the correct size. It really doesnt make sense electrically that a 30a worked and a fuse of the correct amperage wouldn't unless the truck was burning the correct size fuse immediately? Did you check the original fuse with a meter?? continuity? You could have a slightly loose connection where the wire attaches to the fuse holder and installing the larger fuse jostled it enough to make connection. Double check your grounds, the crank sensor and AC clutch could be related thru a less than optimal ground.


Thanks for going thru the effort of documenting your build here, it's appreciated.
 
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We finally got the warranty replacement power steering pump unit in... and it was incomplete. It was missing the "cap" for the entire unit. So that had to be second day shipped, should be arriving today.. Also, a gentleman who was doing a lot of the work on my Bronco has moved on to other pastures, so there may be some slowing in the finishing of this project.

My understanding is the 15a fuse was blowing right away, but the 30a isn't. I will check about loose connections and ground though, thanks for the suggestion! And thank you for letting me know @milan65, that does make me feel somewhat better haha.
 
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Huzzah! We are here! The time has finally arrived that the swap is (mostly) complete! There are a few odds and ends missing that will get worked out over the next few weeks, but the Bronco is in my possession and is being driven daily as of two days ago! Here she is as she sits yesterday:

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Here is a shot of the finished exhaust. The 4" tip is much bigger than I thought it'd be...

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And the (mostly) complete engine bay!
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@milan65 I hope it was worth the wait and the ride was good haha. Thanks for yours and everyone else's help! Of course the build isn't done by a long shot, but this is how she'll sit for the most part while my pocketbook pulls itself together.

The things that are missing:
  • The transmission isn't cooling quickly enough. It slowly heats up over an hour or two of driving and I haven't pushed it passed 200 degrees. So an American Volt 11" cooler is on the way and will be installed when it gets here next week.
  • It appears the rear main seal is slowly leaking. It's a brand new seal... so not sure why that would be the case.
  • The tachometer still doesn't work. Given that the timing wheel (remachined as some of the points were off, gouging the sensor), the sensor (tested with a known good), the bracket (machined to be more secure and not move), and the wires (tested for current) have all been tested and looked at closely, I'm wondering if it's the gauge itself. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. You'll know when you turn it on because it'll either stay at 0 or just magically work when started. I found something about conductive glue leaking onto the circuit board, and to pick it off, so I'll try looking for that soon.
  • 1-2 shift is really hard. But the controller is programmable so I'll see if I can soften it up that way. If not, at 500 miles I'm getting all the fluids changed and when the transmission fluid gets changed, I'll ask them to soften up the 1-2 shift.
  • It definitely feels underpowered, but I've been playing with the AFC live tuner and am waking it up a little. Also taking it to a tuning shop in a couple weeks to see if they can help out. I'd like to see ~22lbs of boost and was initially getting 5, now up to 10.
  • The idle appears to still be around 400, and when manually holding the throttle at 600+ all vibrations go away. Otherwise, it's still vibrating pretty hard. I'll adjust that soon.
  • When pumping diesel into it, the diesel fuel immediately back-fills out of the neck and splatters everywhere. Seems like something is probably not venting correctly. But I have no idea what. I had to let an actual trickle of fuel into the neck to get anything into it, and only got a half tank in 15 minutes. That's pretty hard to do with modern gas pumps haha...

The [Good] Surprises
  • The AC blows way colder and works a lot better at low RPMs (Chrysler AC unit).
  • The power steering is so good, I can steer with a literal single finger on top of the wheel (Dodge PS unit).
  • The braking feels a lot better, presumably because better vacuum pump. I don't have to push nearly as hard to get the same kind of braking.
  • Bumps are significantly less jarring, presumably because heavier front end (~250+ lbs heavier engine).
  • When at a higher idle, there's almost no vibration.
  • Cornering feels the same or better. Glad I retained the sway bar with extended mounts.

Near Future Things:
This stuff I already have in my garage and will give me something to do.
  • I'll be adding two US Flag decals to the hard top windows.
  • I'll be installing the reupholstered 40/20/40 seats and seat belts soon.
  • I'll be putting in a new black vinyl flooring after sound deadening.
  • I'll test for MPG before and after tuning, and before and after sound deadening.
  • Speaking of, I'll also be installing sound deadening as the new seats and flooring go in. I'll get decibel measurements (just with my phone) before and after deadening, and I still have my readings from my stock engine too, for comparison. It's all stuff I got from Sound Deadener Showdown right before he unexpectedly shut down his business.
  • I'll be trying to fix my stupid-slow rear window with new regulators, tracks, felt... pretty much everything except the motor. The only motor I can find is at BroncoGraveyard, and it said something about redrilling and I don't feel like doing that.
  • I'll be installing a double-din stereo kit from OBS Interiors. That'll take some work, the shop has made the necessary brackets for me and I'm still looking for a good stereo. I'm thinking of an octacore android head unit with a 9" or 10.1" screen so I can support good gps, hands-free stuff, and an aftermarket TPMS setup.
 
Congratulations! Finally drive-able. Awesome. It sure did take longer then anticipated. Wondering now how much is your final tag, incl. labor. But if you don't want to say - it's fine. One thing stands up a bit - your idle RPM around 400...? R U sure that's correct reading? That seems to be incredibly low. 800 RPM is about lowest it can run. Not sure the engine is even capable to run that low. It's great that you have A/C back and running. So U used Chrysler compressor for it? Interesting. Looking forward to see your noise measurements before and after sound deadener. What are going to use and how many layers you plan to put on? Milan
 
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I will as soon as I get all the receipts and everything together. I'm gathering all the stuff I didn't write details about over the last several months and trying to make it make sense haha.

So I found out something through lots of testing over the last few days... it was around 450, it looks like my tach is reading correctly when it works, but that was happening because my AC was apparently massively leeching power from the engine. I played with the idle and warmed the engine up over the weekend for 2 days, and got it in a good place. AC consistently robs ~300-350rpm from the engine currently. Stick it in drive and step on the pedal and lose another ~100. Idle is good now though I think, ~750 cold and ~850-900 warm (no ac, trans in park).

I took more measurements over the weekend and there is a night and day difference in noise between the gas and diesel engine. I think a lot of it comes from the mufflerless exhaust, and massive tip, to be honest. I'll post those numbers up soon, soon as I've finished sound deadening and can put them all up together. On the plus side, the diesel consistently makes roughly the same amount of noise, regardless of idling up through 70mph.

I'm using the whole shabang, Constrained Layer Damper, Mass Loaded Vinyl paired with Closed Cell Foam, and Hydrophobic Melamine Foam. I've got some Butyl rope for weird tight vibration sources too. I may even try putting down a padded layer on top of all that in the bed under the new flooring. I don't know if that'll help sound, but it'll make it a little softer back there haha.

I tried to fix the tach issue with something I found on FSB, something about glue used on the circuit board becoming hard and conductive, and to scrape it off. So I did that, but it didn't help. I have discovered that the tach will either work and give a reading, or it will give zero reading. Nothing in between. No bouncing or anything. I have to have the truck on, but not started, for ~5 seconds before starting, or the tach won't work. Super weird.. dunno what to make of it. Here's a pic of the glue, it's the dull brownish substance on this board. I scraped it off and no difference in how the tach behaves.
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Pretty spacious once you get the back seat out.
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Discussion starter · #138 · (Edited)
More progress toward sound deadening and front seat replacement yesterday. I discovered that it looks like I have a couple of leaks in my B pillars (pics at the end) due to streaks of dirt, which is consistent with a sometimes wet floor and mildewy smell. How is this possible? Where could the leak be coming in from? The exterior isn't rusted out in the roof at all. Also, the driver seam is parted much more than the passenger side. Is this a bad thing? Should I have it welded or seam sealed?

Passenger seat came out surprisingly easy. Unplug the cable connecting to the bottom, then 4 bolts that needed a 15mm socket. The seatbelt buckles also came out easily. They needed a Torx T50 bit. The rear seat mounts came out with a 3/4in socket, and I sheared off one of the 6.
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Center console comes out with three 10mm bolts. It also came out pretty easily.
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Driver's seat came out tough. I ended up shearing off two of the four 15mm bolts getting it out.
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Pretty spacious without seats. This is going to require a lot of sound deadening materials.
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All of the rest of the interior is more or less layered over the top of each other, and needs to be disassembled top down. I started with this square piece straddling the roof and the fiberglass top in the center, and the two adjacent pieces. This, and the trim over the front windshield will need to be the first pieces removed. They are all just phillips trim screws.
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Next is the long piece that runs along the bottom of the hard-top window. It's secured by the plastic trim clips. All mine were extremely brittle and even with plastic trim removal tools, I broke the heads off all of them.
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This is what the trim clips are hooking into to hold the trim below the hard-top window. Had to get them out with plyers, but carefully as the metal bracket is thin and very bendy.
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The next piece I removed was this trim piece at the back of the hard top running vertically behind the side windows. This just needs tugged toward the middle of the bronco and will come out easily, nothing broken and no screws.
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Next is the trim over the front driver and passenger windows (3-4 screws each) followed by the large B-pillar trim pieces (2 screws).
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The seatbelt needs to come off for the B pillar trim to come out. It requires a t50 torx bit. To get the trim piece covering this bolt, pull out on the bottom of the trim. It hooks at the top and snaps at the bottom.
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Passenger seatbelt top bolt removed. It has some carpet-padding-like material between the bolt and the body of the truck it bolts to.
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Made some pretty good progress. I have quite a bit more to go, though.
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The B pillar looks like it has dirty water streaks from the seam.
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Passnger B pillar seam shows evidence of leaking.
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Driver B pillar seam shows evidence of leaking. Also, the gap in the seam is much bigger than the passenger side.
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The Leak issue is not the seam inside. There's a leak outside you need to find. It could be a seal on the hardtop letting water in and somehow it gets inside your pillar. The recommendation here would be to use garden hose and pour water outside onto small section above the pillar and check inside for leak. If no leak move onto another section, like between hard top and body etc... until you locate the source of the leak. There's gotta be some hole or gap somewhere. and based on the pictures it is on both sides. That inside pillar seams - if it is not rattling or causing any other issues... just leave it. Or if you cannot live with it - use small tap screw and tap it together. Welding may introduce other problem like warped sheet metal not mentioning the need for excessive preparation for it (eliminate potential fire hazard from welding). Milan
 
Discussion starter · #140 ·
Awesome, I'll go invest in a hose and see if I can figure out where the water is coming in at. Thanks!

As far as the seem, particularly on the driver side, any idea what's causing this to separate? I imagine it's not supposed to be like that.
 
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