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I'm on year four of my build I've driven it for two years now but just take it easy mine spent nearly 12 full months at shop getting swapped. I enjoy the research part as it appears you do. I wasn't smart enough to post here while doing my search on the engine so some stuff I or my builder had to figure out along the way (like the vacuum pump). If I can offer any advice don't get stressed, enjoy every aspect, and it will all come together.
Not to say that you shouldn't keep an eye on what's going on there was another 4bt swap that was absolutely disastrous I cant' remember his name but it did not end well. I was fortunate enough to have a builder/ machine shop who had done several 6bt's into older vehicles whom I've known most of my life to do mine. There were a couple of things I had to address after he was done but for the most part I got exactly what I expected.
It is almost comical to me how similar your motivations were to mine. I had this Bronco with a tired engine and was pricing out new pickups, one day I got to thinking about daily driving the bronco and before you knew it I had purchased a 4bt on ebay. I'm in the car business and the amount of depreciation people take on vehicles is mind boggling. Classics just don't seem to be affected. Even on pickup trucks most people loose between 7 and 10,000 per year. I'm not stating I expect to get every dime back out I put in however it will/ should be much closer then even a couple of years depreciation for a new vehicle and I get more enjoyment out of it than any of the other 25 or so cars I've owned.
 
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All right folks, finally migrated the photos I've used on this build to SuperMotors.net and will be using that from now on, so hopefully no more issues.

1. Turbo - in order to achieve 200HP + bigger turbo is a must. There's no way around.
That's really good to know! It looks like I'll have to stick with the HX30W for now, so we'll see what that can put out. I'm not looking for a performance monster, just something that isn't dragging on the pavement and does well doing mild offroading. Torque is what matters anyway, right? Haha

Here's the recommendation for reputable very good mechanical pump
Thanks for that recommendation! I've saved the part because I'd like to stick with mechanical, and I think that'll be a future upgrade. I called Power Drive Diesel (I got the fuel upgrades from them) and they advised that the lift pump I have should be fine for what I'm doing and the mild fuel upgrades I'm putting in. I'll try it out and see how it goes, and make sure to test PSI and make sure it's enough.

Chevy Astro van reservoir from junk yard is $10. Brand new one from RockAuto is $35. The pump itself from RockAuto between $68-148 incl. core charge.
I definitely should have gone this route, and that's what I'll write up in the OP as the recommendation. I didn't know that the Astro pump would work. The few things I could find online about it all said to get a dodge pump and a 96 astro can on it, and I didn't have time to go scrounging around for those things, so I pulled the trigger on that (expensive) kit. I should have gone the astro route. Is the astro pump compatible with the dodge vacuum pump?

BTW what’s your plan for gear ratio change?
I don't plan to change my gear ratio for now, so just stock (whatever the stock ratio is). I don't have a lift, just 32's. I want to do a lift and axle upgrade in the future, and will change my ratio then. I used the grim jeeper website to calculate my final drive and found that the 4bt should be just fine with my stock driveline (I hope). With the 4bt, my RPMs should be 1853 @ 70mph. I'm putting a 3k governer on, so I think that should be perfect.

I'm on year four of my build I've driven it for two years now but just take it easy mine spent nearly 12 full months at shop getting swapped.
That is crazy! I'm glad you're still driving it and working on it. A year for the swap would be way longer than I'm willing to put up with hahaha. I'm hoping everything goes as planned. I plan to drive this thing 2400 miles across the country in December. But we all know about plans and first contact with the enemy... we'll see how it goes. I'm doing so much damn research and calling people and picking other people's brains to make sure I can help make this as smooth as possible with the shop.

Not to say that you shouldn't keep an eye on what's going on there was another 4bt swap that was absolutely disastrous
If you find it, I'd be interested in reading about it!

It is almost comical to me how similar your motivations were to mine. I had this Bronco with a tired engine and was pricing out new pickups, one day I got to thinking about daily driving the bronco and before you knew it I had purchased a 4bt on ebay. I'm in the car business and the amount of depreciation people take on vehicles is mind boggling. Classics just don't seem to be affected. Even on pickup trucks most people loose between 7 and 10,000 per year. I'm not stating I expect to get every dime back out I put in however it will/ should be much closer then even a couple of years depreciation for a new vehicle and I get more enjoyment out of it than any of the other 25 or so cars I've owned.
If you have any pointers or personal experiences to share, I'm all ears. I like a good story. Yeah I couldn't believe how much places are charging for newer trucks these days. I'd like the tech packed in them but I'd rather make it work in mine. Drive a new one off the lot and lose 20% of the value right there it seems like haha. I'm hoping these upgrades and this Bronco will give me another decade at least.
 
I had my details mixed up on was on a dana 60 swap by a custom shop that things ended disastrous.
 
If you have any pointers or personal experiences to share, I'm all ears. I like a good story. Yeah I couldn't believe how much places are charging for newer trucks these days. I'd like the tech packed in them but I'd rather make it work in mine. Drive a new one off the lot and lose 20% of the value right there it seems like haha. I'm hoping these upgrades and this Bronco will give me another decade at least.
Look around there's ways of customizing these things to have all the options/ tech you'd ever want. We've got folks running full king ranch swapped seats (htd and cooled) and console. Double DIN radios with blue-tooth and rear view cameras and much more. I'm sure there's aftermarket radar systems you give you blind spot and collision detection.

That is crazy! I'm glad you're still driving it and working on it. A year for the swap would be way longer than I'm willing to put up with hahaha. I'm hoping everything goes as planned. I plan to drive this thing 2400 miles across the country in December. But we all know about plans and first contact with the enemy... we'll see how it goes. I'm doing so much damn research and calling people and picking other people's brains to make sure I can help make this as smooth as possible with the shop.
Have you made mention of getting the killer dowel pin fixed? Just google 12v cummins and KDP you'll find all the info you want. I messed up and bought a 100 dollar kit your builder should be more than capable of fixing it himself. Before a drive like that make sure you know the condition of all the bearings and joints pay particular attention to steering from the column down. I'd plan on wheel bearings and brakes unless you know the condition of those items already. I'd consider at least changing the fluid on the front axle transfer case and rear axle while the pans are dropped they/or you should be able to check for any signs of fatigue. I'm excited for you and am eager to see how this turns out.
 
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Have you made mention of getting the killer dowel pin fixed? Just google 12v cummins and KDP you'll find all the info you want. I messed up and bought a 100 dollar kit your builder should be more than capable of fixing it himself.
Yeah, I messed up too ?but I do have a KDP kit. I will ask the shop to check the rest of what you recommended as well before I do a trip like that.

I do have another question. I got a new core support from LMC truck for a 96-97 7.3 powerstroke to put in the Bronco. The reading I did is it would be direct bolt in. However, it's here, the shop was getting ready to install it, and it's the exact same support [link]. On their site the same part number is used for Broncos/F150's as F250/F350 diesels. Some of the research I was doing said if I want to use the diesel radiator, I have to get the new core support, so I did. But it looks like they are the same. My question is if anyone has any experience with this? Are they the same for sure or did I get sent the wrong part? I ordered an aluminum Mishimoto 7.3l radiator, and I wanted it to bolt up. Will it still?
 
Generally 4BT does not get very hot by design. Since you don't plan to boost 4BT (bigger turbo etc.), stock Bronco or F150 radiator is sufficient enough to cool that engine even in hot climate. The only recommendation would be to get rid of 4BT stock mechanical fan and replace it with el. fan for the case if you tow some heavy trailer uphill in hot climate. Recommended el. fan would be from Ford 500 or similar. Junk yards are full of these very powerful dual fans, but it would not be bolt on. That would be the only thing needed. Bigger radiator is unnecessary overkill. Milan
 
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That's great to know, I will put that in my notes. I don't tow often enough to get an electric fan I think... yet. I'm thinking I might get a little 14' adventure trailer. But that's future plans haha.

Out of curiosity, you folks who also did 4bt swaps, what kind of mileage are you getting?
 
I like to hear my turbo spool so... I'm getting 15.5-17 I'm also running aftermarket axles and let it idol quite a bit. In my research on a stock drive train you should expect over 20mpg+ easy w/ your OD trans I've heard as high as 30 in a Bronco w/ a 5spd.
 
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I like to hear my turbo spool so...
I think I'm going to be loving that for the first few weeks too. Hopefully not so much that I pretzel a driveshaft, though. Speaking of, do y'all think I might need to get a new one made that is stronger?

I'm definitely hoping to get around 25mpg, ideally. If not, it's not a huge deal but a goal was to get better mpg... which I guess isn't hard when I'm getting 12 on a good day.
 
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I have added all of the links and part numbers for things in the Parts List in the OP that I could find. The Parts List won't get updated except to add new parts if I need more.

Update:

Not every day I get to see the Bronco this barren, especially underneath. A lot cleaner than I expected as far as rust goes. There isn't much except on the frame horns on the front, the tow package and hitch, the cross members holding the gas tank, and the rear leaf spring hangers.
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Fuel tank cross members and hitch assembly are all rusty, but some stabbing around it showed it's surface. A wire wheel and POR15 will fix that up since it's all apart anyway. Likely get the rear leaf spring hangers too while at it, and put a little hole in the bottom of the hangers to allow drainage.
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ARP head studs documentation. Pretty confused because instructions say to mill the pedestals, but they look like they are flat already? Or maybe a step needs to be milled into it? Definitely not just bolt on like I was told.. I'll call ARP and find out.
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TLDR; So it turns out if you want to put ARP studs on an 8 valve or 12 valve cummins, you have to machine the rocker pedestals. Their instructions they include with the studs give the proper dimensions and whatnot. Well, ain't nobody got time for that, so I got some from Power Driven Diesel.

When I called ARP, I talked to two different technicians. The first one informed me the reason to machine the pedestal is to provide clearance for the valve cover as there are protrusions on the inside of the valve cover that will contact the oversized ARP nut and not allow for a proper seal. This can subsequently cause oil to leak all over the backside of the engine and over the transmission, he told me. He said to grind down the protrusions and I'll be good to go, no needing to machine.

After getting off of the phone, I got to thinking... why would it be out of the back? I have four separate valve covers, not a single one, and they should all leak if that were true. So I figured he was talking about a common rail 4bt, which I don't have. I call them back, got someone else, and after relaying what the last tech told me, some hold time while he talked to another tech, and lots of repeating what he said to make sure I wasn't stupid, he told me I must machine the pedestals as there isn't enough stud for the nut to secure onto if you don't, and that machining has nothing to do with the valve cover. Insert dramatic sigh here.

So I do some research online. I can find precious little, but the little I do find tells me that these two answers are based on two different versions of studs ARP has produced, henceforth known as the "old style" and "new style". The short of it is the old style allows for just grinding down the inside of the valve cover and the newer ones require machining the pedestals due to shorter studs. Here are some resources I used to deduce that: [link][link][link]

To hell with this. Let's call someone who actually has done the install and can tell me. I call PDD, relay the situation, and ask them. Oh yeah, they do this install all the time. You do need to machine the pedestals because there isn't enough stud to seat the nut onto. However, you don't need to drill and tap the block deeper to receive the head studs, as the ARP install documentation says. They never have and have been just fine. What you do have to do is make sure the existing taps are very clean, vacuumed out, no fluid or debris in them before installing the studs. If you don't, they told me, you have a much higher risk of cracking the block. Good to know! Well, if you send PDD cores, they will send you used pedestals, or you can order new ones. I went the new route. So now I'm only waiting on that. Got my Dodge A/C manifold in, just needs to be crimped to the ford lines. Then it's just fluids, filters, and I have all the parts I need (I hope).
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Good morning folks!

I got my machined rocker pedestals in on Friday. I think (and hope) that's all I need. The shop says this week will be getting the engine back together. I was hoping it'd be finished this week, but maybe not. Hopefully, no later than next week.

Any opinions on putting LineX on the underbody? I read a few things that says LineX is still somewhat water permeable, they don't undercoat cars anymore these days because of the water-trapping problem, and I shouldn't do it, so I think I'm just going to ask to have POR15 on the problem areas. But I keep coming back and thinking "no better time than now since everything is out of it".
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ARP - to machine the pedestal as described in the installation manual is all that's needed. As for undercoat - POR15 is one of the best options available. Not knowing any details about the shop (where they do the conversion) you would be fortunate to have them finish everything and drive your truck away in such a short time. Hopefully it will happen as you planned, but if not - don't be surprised. It's labor extensive process and especially for somebody (your shop) who has not done it before, even with all parts on hand it may take some time to have it road worthy. Milan
 
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Yeah, I let the shop know I'd like to go the POR15 route. It won't be the entire undercarriage. I'll try to do that in pieces myself as I get time, but while it's apart, the really hard to reach stuff I'm asking to be done. That should save me some money too with not having LineX done.

As for driving it out, I talked to the shop owner last night and he agreed. Optimistically, the engine will be cleaned, painted, and assembled, maybe installed this week. It may be running next week, but no telling if it'll be driveable. Also the transmission shop is ordering parts today, so I'm not sure when that'll be done. I was really hoping this week, but I anticipated it taking longer than I would have liked. Though, it may be longer than Nov 15 which is less optimal, but I'll deal. There still has to be a full custom exhaust, fuel lines, and intake piping needing to be done still, which can't be until the truck is basically back together.

In other news, here's another update! The block has been cleaned, primed, and is getting painted. This is with one coat. It'll be getting 2 or so.
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Also, right before I took the Bronco to the shop, I bought a decal I really liked, and decided I'd like to show my motivation and patriotism with it. Turns out it was a bad idea to get it on Etsy. I didn't realize it wasn't what I ordered until I applied one of the two, and it was the wrong color. It looked like the right color on the paper. Go figure, the Etsy shop isn't responding to me for a refund or replacement, and they falsely advertised with the wrong pictures of the decal. Very misleading.
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At least I got practice applying the decal, which is super hard to do without bubbles. I'm going to have to find another way to do it. Maybe I need to do the soapy water / alcohol spray combination I had to use to put the clear bra stuff on my headlights. I'll figure it out later. I'm going to order the right ones today from a different shop. In the meantime, I peeled off the old vinyl and left a ton of residue. I'll try and clean that up today with a combination of window cleaner, wd40, a razor, and some papertowels. What a pain in the a**.
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Not sure the manufacturer I’ll look in a bit but I use stuff called glass scrub, when your done your window looks brand new except any chips.
 
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I'd still be interested in what you have to use @MojoJojo, as I have some residue to get off of the inside of the window of my car. I'd rather not have WD40 and its fumes all over the interior of my car. However, I took out some WD40, regular glass cleaner, those blue shop paper towels, and it worked like a charm. Let the residue soak for a few minutes, then a little elbow grease took it all right off.
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I need to figure out if this is a block heater already built in. Does anyone recognize it? I bought a freeze plug heater @curtwow recommended, which looks beefy and I appreciate the suggestion! But if there is already one in the block, no reason to install the freeze plug one. Also, CPP Diesel doesn't allow returns on special items and this one is apparently a special item as indicated by the note on the part page [here]. Either way, there isn't a reason to have two if I have one already. Can anyone tell me if this is a block heater?
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Here's another update. A bunch more parts have been painted and are drying. The head and block need another coat and I ran out of paint. One can is not enough. I bought two more cans of beige, black, and primer, and should have those tomorrow to take to the shop. Then I'll bring back the fuel injection lines and scuff them to bare metal, as I think that would look better bare than painted.
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Gotta use it wet and rinse well. Follow the instructions and you’ll want to put down towels or if it’s the door painters tape plastic so you don’t soak the interior.
I use this right before the rainy season followed with 2 coats of rainX and rarely use my wipers.
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Good to know. I can't find a good part for it, so I'm going to try [this one] out. I think this'll work? I can't find any other one but this one. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has one. I'll keep the freeze plug one on hand in case for some reason this one doesn't work.

Today's update:
I got two more cans each of the Cummins beige, black, and primer since there wasn't enough to do everything with just one each. I had decided to order a new chrome grill and headlight bezels from Bronco Graveyard since mine I'm pretty sure are original, heavily pitted and chipped from road debris and the chrome is bubbling and peeling. Since it is all apart, I may as well put these new parts on. I also have a new Ford emblem and some headlight clips since those are corroded and might break. I'm playing with the idea of using 3m Clearbra equivalent on the bezels and grill to make them more resilient like I did to the headlights. Not sure if that's a good idea or not.
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The transmission is apart and ready to be put back together. It should be done tomorrow or the day after and go back to the shop with the Bronco. All the steel 4r100 parts are there as well as the Powerstroke torque converter. Pretty interesting stuff. I know virtually nothing about transmissions, but got a little insight while I was there. Apparently this upgrade to e4od's is pretty common, so the shop has a good handle on the job.
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